TO BE ABSOLUTELY THRILLED AT A HUNG PARLIAMENT

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This is the best outcome by miles. No hard brexit. (The city now predicts soft Brexit or even no Brexit!!!) No more crazy ideas by either side. Compromise. Tories given a good slap in the face for this stupid election.

This is the first election day in a long time with a good result!

Idiotic

Is telling your main supporters that they will be taxed on dementia Big grin:

*right wing - not white ring

I would remind people that we last had a National Government in times of war. It served us well then

Because war is a bigger problem than anyones personal politics. There is no overarching unifying cause. Quite the opposite

I'm not sure that a hung parliament is something to be thrilled about as it causes uncertainty in the markets and the country as a whole.However as a Remainer I do think it may put the brakes on some of the elements of a 'hard Brexit' - that said, I do wonder whether the whole Brexit negotiations may just rumble on for so long now without resolution that at some point we'll decide to have another referendum to check if people still want it and find out that people don't (especially if all those new 18-25 yr old voters opposed it this time).
I'm not surprised by the vote, I thought the Tory campaign was a complete shambles. However I'm not sure that Labour can really claim much of a success, they haven't won and they are not in power, and let's not forget that this election has now effectively locked them out for at least another 5 years... (assuming the conservatives can form some sort of working government with the DUP).

Meanwhile I am absolutely ECSTATIC that the SNP have got their comeuppance and that IndyRef2 is a dead duck. Ruth Davidson has saved the Tories in this election, and to be honest I think she has the kind of profile and attitude they need to be thinking about for the future. Shame she's not a Westminster MP and can't be a leadership candidate.

I think saving our nhs our schools and everything else that is crumbling is actually more important to many than the FTSE or other people's pensions

There was already going to be 5 years or so of uncertainty. it's just the hard brexiteers would never acknowledge this. Now they have something else to blame for the shitshambles.

What kind of arrogance dies it take to trigger article 50 THEN call an election? This crisis. This uncertainty has been created by the Tory party. If they now proceed to rip themselves to pieces they will destroy themselves and fuck our country over even further. So rather than bemoaning how awful a hung parliament is....why not look at the facts. The Tories have divided us sold us and undermined us.

Fucking breath taking

Right - must go and do some work whilst I am still awake!

Will catch up on thread later.

Me too Middle.

It is chaos, going to be and difficult to see how it will go. I think TM will form some sort of government and then be forced out in an internal struggle. There will have to be another election by the autumn. It does stop Corbyn for the time being (not for long methinks!), and it also stops her doing all the daft things like grammar schools (OK my opinion) and fox-hunting etc, for the time being at least. Interesting times!

Toffee You don't call leaving Europe, with Trump to the left of us and Juncker to the right, reforging a shattered country and rebuilding a broken economy a good overarching aim? And with climate change hanging over us - which is a far bigger challenge than any war?

TM only has herself to blame as do the Tories. They have made decisions like calling a referendum on Brexit, the Boris, Gove, Cameron, Osbourne fiasco and this election based on party politics and personal ambitions. People have seen through this and they have had enough. TM's campaign was aloof and all she proved was that she is a poor decision maker and completely disconnected from ordinary people and families.

I absolutely agree with this ^. TM should NEVER have called this election. The Tories have learned nothing from recent history. The failed to gain a majority in 2010, so had to go into coalition, they gained a surprise, slim majority in 2015, they failed utterly to get the result they wanted in the EU referendum in 2016 and now, surprise, surprise, they've misjudged the public mood YET AGAIN! They deserve this result - calling a snap election was arrogant, hubristic and greedy and the public saw through it.

And if this is the real outcome soft Brexit or even no Brexit then I'll be absolutely, fucking utterly delighted! Hard Brexit would be a total economic disaster that few people seem to grasp currently.

Thanks to PaulDacres and Lass for calming me down about the DUP, but what on earth would they want to join forces with the Cons for if not to push their ideals?

Sorry middle I missed your post earlier. It's in the DUP's interests because they are a Unionist party and they don't want a 'hard' Brexit as this would invariably mean a hard border between NI and RoI - because freedom of movement would have to come off the table. A hard border is likely to be very bad news and risks re-igniting the Troubles and a reversal of all the progress made during the Peace process. So whilst they have their own ideals that they'd love to see, I would hope they are pragmatic enough to take the view that mainland Britain is a different place and therefore not the place to impose ideology that wouldn't sit well here and that a 'soft' Brexit is the priority because preserving the peace and stability at home in NI would be more important.

but what on earth would they want to join forces with the Cons for if not to push their ideals

They usually vote with the conservatives anyway. If this is the case and they can push against hard brexit what is there not to like from their perspective?

even, well said.
It was her call and the country didnt come running.
Hung parliaments are never good - but its put the brakes on the Tories for a while at least - unless they can do a bit of trading with Ireland.
Strong and stable - she will have to eat those words.
I have a hunch we wont hear them uttered for a long long time.

Let's please remember it was the Tories that destabilised our country with the referendum and a spontaneous general election. And Toni Blair destabilised the UK with his Iraq war and mighty arrogance.

YY we are still suffering from Tony Blair's arrogant brand of slogan politics (copied so ably by David Cameron and so catastrophically by TM)

But as much as I really don't like David Cameron he wasn't to blame for the referendum. He was losing ground rapidly to UKIP. He was trying to forestall trouble. As long as immigration remained so high and EU wouldn't compromise he was heading to a referendum whether he called it or UKIP won it in a future general election.

The DUP were for Brexit despite it being damaging to NI. They're a nasty corrupt gang of thugs.
This makes interesting reading.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/24/eu-referendum-spending-official-campaigns-investigation-opens-electoral-commission

I don't know why I feel so hopeful but for some reason I do too!
Sadly, I'm willing to bet you'll be as fed up as me by the end of the year. TM replaced by someone even worse (although won't be BJ), Tories + DUP alliance, even more Brexit shambles - and still a hard Brexit, economic stagnation, more cuts... but hey-ho! Guess I'd better go and get some work done...

Cameron WAS to blame for the referendum. This has all been about internal Tory party politics greed and power

We was conned...or some of us were the others have seen the weasels for what they are

Anyone who is pleased with this result is an idiot.

How charming....and I guess the youth are just stupid then. Oh how I remember last June when so many were vilified for using words like this

A potiential Tory/DUP coalition is very concerning indeed. The DUP are extremely white ring and don't give a damn about anyone apart from white heterosexual males

The DUP's main concern is keeping the Union strong. They don't want anything which risks a united Ireland.

Do calm down there is no possibility they can change mainland UK social policy - the best they will do is to get no change in NI abortion rules. And was any NI party campaigning for that?

I don't know. I was bracing myself for a Tory majority giving TM an absolute mandate to implement whatever horror she wanted. This has got to be better.

Anyone who is pleased with this result is an idiot.

Ooh, is that name-calling?

I'd say it's a reflection of how divided the country currently is. Tories have done well running divisive politics for nearly a decade.

Yes totally which is why the election should never have been held. TM took over downing street with a promise to heal and unite. That was never going to happen while the EU was still under discussion. She needed to just get on with it

Anyone who is pleased with this result is an idiot.

And we draw our own conclusions about the intellect of anyone who makes statements like that.

I was gutted when TM called this snap election. I feel even more gutted with the result. I'm a firm believer in a hard Brexit