Can any Tory voters justify cuts to disability benefits?

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Or are any Tory voters actually disabled and in receipt of pip?
Just interested to find out.

I don't agree with any party policies. I am middle of the road and don't agree with any party. But I can't vote Tory. The disability thing is just too much.

Dontcallme I hope she wins an appeal. I don't know how these people sleep at night

Yy Tabasco put so much more eloquently than I could ever do.

This is so Important, I hope people take time to read it

Monkey I hope so to, but lots of ejjitts around in ivory tower bubbles who think anyone, in receipt of benefits is a work shy lazy feck who bleed the country dry & responsible for the deficit.

I'm not sure that asking individuals to justify their individual votes helps matters much.

We need more dialogue and empathy and mutual understanding. This type of thing has the opposite effect.

Needsahalo this sums it up www.bsa.natcen.ac.uk/latest-report/british-social-attitudes-33/introduction.aspx but there are polls easily googled too .

This thread is appalling, these are the families the benefits budget SHOULD be going to and people who plan to have a baby and plan what they will be able to claim for it, people who walk round carrying that crutch in case they're seen and grassed up by some nasty Tory, people who work and don't declare the hours should be made to read this and see who they're taking money from.

Play PiP wasn't scary for you. For those of us who have had to jump through hoops and go to appeal, it's scary. I've said a million times on here, despite the consultant sending photographs of my ulcerated colon, I still got turned down the first time.
The second time the nurse took me to the loo and I had an accident on the way. Still only got standard rate. Couldn't appeal though as was at dds hospital bed when I got the letter and by the time she'd improved enough to think about it, it was too late. Oh, and I get nothing for mobility even though there are days when I cannot walk due to EDS.

The Tories always want to give tax cuts that benefit the richest.

They are friends of BIG business, not small business.

The problem is that many people are not ashamed of caring so little about vulnerable people. They really don't feel bad just walking on by - to carry on benefitting themsleves not realising the long term harm to anyone doing less well than themselves and to society.

Re extremism and terrorism; I believe that one of the best things we can do to defend ourselves is to make extra efforts to make the world a better, kinder more equal place with a better quality of life for more people.

I think we need to make people feel that THIS LIFE is worth living in and staying in, that they have a stake in this life and that it is not just a pointless daily grind to be glady traded in for the promise of glorious perfect afterlife. That THIS LIFE has meaning and is to be valued.

A widening gap between rich and poor and a trying to pacify people with a throwaway timewasting culture (live a little on Virgin Games anyone?) will only alienate many, but particularly young men whose energy and potential needs to be harnessed to make a postive future. IMHO, this applies to the poor in this country and across the world.

Becoming extreme ourselves only makes the world more polarised.

I believe we should trade fairly and ethically, not screw other countries for resources, not sell out our own resources short. Build a diverse economy at home. Reduce immigration and use trade to support other countries to develop their own economies so people do not need to become economic migrants. This excess of migrant labour is only exploited by big business and serves to drive down living standards.

I don;t agree with some of the rose-tinted, simplistic postivism that has lead to ignoring the serious problems/ divisions in society and that if we are just nice to everyone then it will all magically be OK, but we don't have to go to the other extreme.

The Tories divide and conquer - they will do it to all of us and any off us if it suits their agenda, and makes their lives better.

No law abiding citizen in a democratic country should live in fear their government like so many disabled/ ill people do. The Tories have taken our human rights already.

Serf we are saying how it is.

If people have no empathy, well says a lot about them.

Nice to see you think our genuine stories will cause people to have less empathy for us though

dontcallmelen I completely agree and its what some people lose sight of.

Some assessors are completely shit but because one or two had a good result 20/50 miles/100 miles away from someone who had a bad one they assume they're all the same.

I got a nice assessor for my ESA and a lying shitbag for PIP. Awarded one, not the other. Of course it's scary. Please appeal for your DD as far as you can, and as as Pixies Dad is fond of giving this advice "If they're going to tell you no, make them work for it".

TheMonkey I know exactly how it is. One of my DC very much needs their PIP, their ECHP and whatever services they might manage to secure going into adulthood.

Neither DH nor I have the types of super high flying careers, where we can cover anything that might be needed.

It's just that I know if I want people to learn from our story, it's a bad idea to put their back up first by going in all guns blazing and demanding they justify their vote.

Not so much a criticism as a tactical suggestion.

I don't expect them to justify it. I'm not sure they can really

They need to be aware of the reality for many people though , when voting

Look at the thread title

@Awaywiththepixies27 thank you & lol at pixies dad.
We will appeal I'm just so angry at the injustice of the decision it would be laughable, if it wasn't so blatantly wrong.
She is so unwell at the moment, as she was when we went for the assessment, I had to dress her this morning & cut her food up & take care of dgd as she can't lift/carry her.
I am so depressed & disheartened at the moment.

I have asked this and never got an answer from a tory voter, I asked my mum and she said she didn't see anything about the tories cutting disabilty benefits. OK? I am not disabled, nor do I have anyone disabled in my family but I think supporting disabled people is far more important than austerity. I am a student nurse and had a few patients suffering due to cuts, it breaks my heart.

My daughter received the highest level of DLA and now receives the highest level of PIP. This is a lot of money over a year, a fortune over a lifetime, I think it is entirely appropriate that her need for this is thoroughly assessed and occasionally revisited. With an exponential increase in social and health care need nationwide due to changing demographics, it is critical that any government takes care that precious resource is allocated according to need. I hate filling in the forms, I find it depressing and distressing, but I can fucking lump it for the significant financial support it enables us to access. The Torys get a lot wrong, particularly on education IMO, but I have more confidence in them than the dire alternatives. I'll be voting for them tomorrow. I'm very much out of kilter with all my friends on this who think I "should" a Labour voter, - because I'm pro-providing asylum for refugees, I volunteer etc. etc. but I just think the Conservatives are the least incompetent when it comes to actual government, which is a hideously complex, costly task.

Light your daughter was lucky.

Many others aren't. Look at dontcallme's story. This is not rare.

I totally can't get head round people thinking the Tories are competent when the country is in such a bad state. But that's life..

LIght Many people dont have mums who will/can fill out forms for them. Or anyone.

Have you asked yourself what would happen to your daughter if something happened to you so you couldn;t step in and help? Would she then be purely reliant on the state? If so, heaven help her.

How would you feel if the Tories increased your tax by £100 a month? Or cut your wages by the same? Because this is the situation for many disabled people now under Universal Credit where the Tories snuck in cuts to disabled people's income.

I need to do all paperwork for my mum as well as DD, as her support worker was cut.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2941906-The-horror-of-Universal-Credit

Would love to know LightDrizzle's answers to those questions

I have not read the thread. I work in the building where medicals are done, I have assessed claims previously and to be frank an awful lot of people take the piss and claim for nothing. Some had been on IB for years before assessments came in and there was nothing wrong with them at all. I watch people jump off of buses and walk briskly across the road only to claim they have had a lift there and can't walk 200 metres. But the hill they walk up to the office is at least twice that and they don't limp until they get into the building. I see PIP from both sides both my sons are disabled my eldest mental health is very poor and I understand the fight to get the benefit but I can understand why they have to to do something. A lot of people are genuine and a lot automatically keep their benefit but others could work. As it is a person doing the decision some will be wrong that is human nature but hundreds are done everyday that are correct decisions and the people are happy with them they just don't get reported. And despite working for a government that does not give me a living wage rise and having to fill forms in for my son to get benefit I still won't vote for a man who will have us begging around Europe in a few years because he has bankrupt the country.