Can any Tory voters justify cuts to disability benefits?

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Or are any Tory voters actually disabled and in receipt of pip?
Just interested to find out.

I've voted Conservative a few times recently and I'll be honest and say I don't think it can be justified. The benefits budget doesn't have elastic sides so something else has to give for the money to go back. Fact of the matter is that a great many working people are happy to pay a little bit more tax for the nhs, but not for increased benefits.

Scottishdiem I think you need to learn what is deficit and what is debt. We are borrowing far less now than we did in 2010. £100 billion a year less in fact but because we are still borrowing some then the debt is rising and this will only peak when we borrow nothing. Corbyn wants to borrow more so this will increase the debt, the deficit and the interest repayments. What happens when this pot of money runs out. Look at Greece

MumIsRunnning - disabled benefits do still exist & the majority are genuine claimants, but doesn't stop them being denied.
I have posted this on a similar thread my dd was diagnosed with lupus & fibromyalgia five years ago, she was awarded high rate care & mobility due to whilst having 'flare ups' (excruciating muscle/nerve pain swollen joints all round her body) she needs care with every aspect of her life, she had an assessment two weeks ago & she was informed today that she scored nil points in all categories & her benefit stopped the day of her assessment, she was barely able to walk, sit down or take her coat off unaided she was in agony.
I have had her at home with me everyday (8am - 6pm whilst her Dh is at work) with me for three weeks, as she cannot care for herself or dgd as she is so unwell, it would break your heart looking at her tryin to do even the basics for the baby.
Dla made life just that little bit easier, we now have to appeal & hope the benefit will be reinstated, it should never have happened.

Oh & in case anyone was wondering my dd does work, she's had to give up her full time hours & dropped down to twelve hours, so she can get enough rest between shifts.

MumisRunning there was a recent article about a man who lost his ESA because they deemed him fit to work after two heart attacks.

He had his third heart attack three hours into his new job as a DELIVERY DRIVER.

People do not seem to have learnt anything from the Glasgow bin lorry crash.

Because the fact is if someone has been deemed not ill enough to qualify for benefits.........and they end up in an unsuitable job and inadvertently cause harm to someone else i would fucking love to hear the argument for the prosecution. Because how the fuck can the system prosecute someone for hiding an illness when the system has insisted that they dont have that illness and are fit to work.

Sadly it is going to take a case like this to hit the courts and im not sure that even then it will wake people the fuck up!!

As someone who has experienced people in the past genuinely gloat at how well they are doing out of disability benefits and laugh at me for being stupid enough to work, I am pretty happy that there are more assessments before people can access disability benefits. I would rather the money goes to the right people. And I think the economy will fare better under the conservatives so there wil be more money to go around.
The Tory haters comparing conservative voters to ignoring the holocaust are ridiculous and punching below the belt as usual.
I don't agree with everything in the conservatives manifesto and I don't agree with everything in labours either. I can't pick and choose unfortunately so I will vote for what I think is best on balance for my family and for the country.
I work for the NHS in a clinical role and have worked under labour and conservative. It wasn't a bed of roses under labour. I will probably fare slightly worse in terms of pay under conservative but I am not selfish enough to not vote for labour just because of that.

And before you say "well they dont have to take an unsuitable job" do remember the JC could well give them the choice between that or a sanction.

Bodicea have you read my post @ 21.02

I lost all faith and patience when I had to support a family to get un-sanctioned for not attending an assessment......while the person in question was in hospital.

It strikes me that nobody really knows what they are doing.

If a doctor says a person is not able to work or only able to work part time then that should be good enough.

My son is autistic and gets DLA. I am dreading him having to apply for PIP. From what I can gather this assessment is not autism friendly at all. They do t want to know anything beyond what someone can do physically. I can only hope they get DS on a bad day so they see visually for themselves why he may struggle.

I hope he will work but he has moderate learning difficulties and from my experience it seems young people like my son struggle to find and then maintain employment.

So I have no faith in the system and certainly not in the Conservative party.
They couldn't give a shiny shite for those who have suffered as far as I can see.

As a woman on the autism spectrum i'm really scared. The world isn't set up for people like me, and dealing with autism and associated MH difficulties, alongside the vulnerability of being dependent on family and the state is shit. I wish I could work. I wish there was a job that I could cope with, I wish I could travel alone without getting lost. I feel like a burden to the state and would happily trade places with someone 'normal'.

@Aifieisnoisy exactly I cannot understand if you have evidence from the professionals i.e. Gp/consultants etc why this is not enough.
Without the indignity of going through a so called assessment, they then totally ignore the evidence & deem the claimant cured.
I hope you don't have the stress & upset we have had.

My child is severely disabled.

She has gradually lost all her NHS therapies under a Tory government. Her school is struggling and kids have been injured due to lack of staff .

It's shit people don't realise this is happening or do and don't care.

To reassure you my PIP was awarded jointly for mental and physical health issues. It's highly likely I have asd of some description too and I got mobility component even though I can walk the required distance, why, because when I have a flare up I can't walk at all and have to abandon my vehicle incurring taxi and extra parking costs

PIP isn't scary.

I am ill myself and having to be carer to 3 different people due to lack of social care.

User149 you are anything but a burden, you must never think that. People who can do those things but choose not to are the burden. You should be protected, made to feel a valued member of society and helped to find a way through life.

This is what really riles me about the benefits system. Money is taken away from those in genuine need but given freely to people who just pop out kids or find some other way to need. If the people took a bit more personal responsibility then there would be enough money to properly support those in need. The benefits system is supposed to be an emergency safety net not something you to plan to use.

There are fewer and fewer adult placements available for kids like my daughter. Her future is scary.

We are real people.

When you then think about the NHS, Brexit and the terrorism incidents due to lack of policing, it's hard not to think Tory voters live in a bubble, or are insane.

People who go on about money going to to the RIGHT people..
Newsflash.
It ISNT

Genuine claimants are being denied and suffering . Actual real people

@PlayOnWurtz my dd is the same but at her assessment a couple of weeks ago was awarded nil points in all categories, despite being in receipt of high rate care & mobility dla, so I beg to differ that PiP isn't scary.

Dontcallme I am so sorry you're going through this. I know so many people in the same boat.

DD' s paediatrician warned me she may be turned down for DLA despite being non verbal and not independent in any way as many people are being unfairly rejected.

Tory voters don't believe us though, or don't care, or believe that that level of austerity is necessary in one of the world's richest countries

Fact of the matter is that a great many working people are happy to pay a little bit more tax for the nhs, but not for increased benefits

Where is this fact from? Source? You are aware that huge numbers of people in receipt of benefits are also workers? I am a worker, I would pay more tax for the NHS, those who,are disabled and their careers, and families where there is only one legitimate wage earner (not just a SAHM).

I think the biggest problem is the Tories getting away with conning people that disability benefits are a major issue and a significant cost in the first place.

There is absolutely no reason disability benefits "need" to be cut or "need" to become an election issue at all. The amount of money our government spends on disability benefits is minuscule; there are zillions of other things the government spends money on (some of them utterly pointless or dodgy) and no one ever suggests cutting them or making them an election issue.

Like: non-means tested, non-assessed benefits for wealthy older people. HS2. Politician expenses (duck houses for everyone! Free Armani suits and luxury jollies for councilmen!). Or simply waste, frittering and "error." Many billions of pounds are lost each year cross-departmentally on paperwork, procurement and inefficiency:

£billions in duplicated procurement (different news articles gave different exact figures, but consensus is billions).
MoD spending £6 million on earplugs that were never used, £7.2 million on a faulty mine detection system, and the infamous "£22 each lightbulbs".
MoJ accidentally spending £56m on a duplicate IT project.
Home Office spending £1.74 million on booking non-refundable plane tickets that were never used, and £427,000 on illegal weaponry that can't legally be used here.
DoE accidentally paying £1.2 million to the wrong account and not being able (or not bothering) to get it back.

Public sector fraud (ie benefits fraud but also payroll fraud, contractor fraud, people not paying their TV license, etc.) costs us £37.5 billion per year BUT private sector fraud (private businesses and the financial sector) costs us a whopping £144 billion per year! (Per official government figures for 2016).

Not to mention the billions lost through tax loopholes for the super wealthy and big businesses. Why are we so eager to let billionaires, multi-national corporations, fraudster bigwigs and politicians squander and flat out steal billions of OUR money, yet chase and demonise disabled people for that extra tenner a week?

Because the government and certain parts of the media are working together to brainwash people into accepting the scapegoating of people chosen specifically because they are perceived as being too weak to fight back, and too economically insignificant to be valuable.

Austerity is a lie. There is plenty of money to go round but the politicians and wealthy are keeping it out of our hands. We live in a country and a world that's still ruled by a corrupt elite. Don't fall for their lies.

If it's not a dealbreaker for you fine it's your choice. IMO both sides are pretty bad so this isn't an anti-Tory rant. But don't believe the lies that we have no choice but to take a tiny bit of money away from disabled people in order to prop up the NHS when the government is wasting or stealing countless billions on duck houses, wars, foreign bigwigs and paperwork errors.

DLA and PIP are NOT out of work benefits

Hear hear Tabasco

Thank you Themonkey it would break your heart just looking at her at the moment, she is in absolute agony, as she was the day we went for the assessment 😥