Can any Tory voters justify cuts to disability benefits?

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Or are any Tory voters actually disabled and in receipt of pip?
Just interested to find out.

Sides you do realise 50m was the original criteria .

There are also other reasons for getting mobility other than distance walked.

I don't have a problem with checking whether disabled people are able to work. I have a mental health problem, and I'm able to work now. However, when things got really bad I did claim benefits for a few months. I didn't have a problem going to an assessment, as I don't think the government should give money out to anyone who asks.

Not all disabled people are victims - many would love to make a contribution to society and would benefit from being helped into work. If someone can, for example, sit comfortably, then call centre work may be suitable and may give that person a purpose, social life, dignity and all the other reasons why people work.

However, assessments have to be fair. A friend's brother has a mental age of 8 and has been forced to go to multiple interviews. That's ridiculous. However, plenty of others can work - in my school we have a teacher in a wheelchair (yes, shock, horror to those who think disabled people are victims - she has a degree and a professional job!), and lots of people with mental health issues can work given enough support.

Helena, thanks, yes I do, I'm very clued up on the mobility side of the benefit, my statement still applies to 50m, 100m, even a mile (frequently, without pain). I stand by my statement that it seems very generous, at least for some.

Someone posted this link earlier and I think it's worth reposting
the Tories are the biggest borrowers

LiviaDrusilla so you are happy for people to vote for their own interests and fuck the rest of them?

Good to know.

But why can't Conservative voters do the same?

DHs DLA is because of ischemic heart disease and emphysema He has breathing problems cannot walk far because of it and uses a mobility scooter.

He was granted a home assessment recently due to his condition.

I'm voting Tory and have in the past claimed ESA for a very long time.

I don't agree with all the Tories policies, and this one won't stop me voting for them.

I'm well aware that this is a sample of one but it may explain why some people, even with direct experience of disability benefit can still 'bring themselves' to vote tory.

My sister is in receipt of disability benefits and has been for 20 years. She is mentally disabled to the extent that she will never get any better or be able to make any economic contribution to society through work.

She lives in a house with others in a similar situation, with support. She pays for this with benefits and actually receives way more in payments than she actually needs and is able to afford holidays, new clothes etc. whenever she needs without relying on us which is brilliant. I'm so pleased we have this safety net however, in her case she is more than comfortable and actually accumulating money at the moment to be extent that we have to direct her to spend it.

I suppose my point is that not everyone in receipt of disability benefits, even with no other income, is someone living hand to mouth, just scraping by at the mercy of government cuts.

I know the difference between debt and deficit and the UK deficit when the financial crisis hit was the smallest it has been in the last two decades.
In 2007 it was tiny, 2008 was when Gordon Brown borrowed to bail out the banks hence the huge jump. It's a fallacy that Labour were running a huge deficit. In fact Brown was the only Chancellor in the last 20 years to run a surplus.

I don't see how you can have a social conscience and vote Tory.

They don't give a shit about the vulnerable and never have.

They don't give a shit about the vulnerable and never have.

That's just not true. I used to be one of the vulnerable; I know exactly what it's like. The assessments, the day to day stress etc.

I'm still voting Tory because the majority of their policies work for me. The disability cuts, not so much, but it's not a dealbreaker.

It's not compulsory to have a social conscience. Voting for your own interests is neither illegal nor immoral.

Funny how the only reason people are so vocal about voting Labour is that they think it makes them look like a better person

I don't see how you can have a social conscience and vote Tory.

I don't want to be rude but that shows a lacking in your ability to accept that people will use their social conscience to come to different conclusions.

I would be better off financially in the short term under a Labour government, but I'm voting Tory as I think it will be better for my family and community and the country. If you want to tell me my vote is based on a lack of social conscience, you are free to do so, but it really says more about you.

I can't stand this 'if you don't vote labour then you are heartless scum' vitriol.

Anyone would define my sister as vulnerable. Have I ever felt that any government of any party hasn't given a shit about her? No.

The day I do see a government stop giving a shit about her is when I will (to steal a horse) 'wake up'.

Obviously I don't believe in horse-theft (even as Tory scum). Phrases were what I was supposed to be stealing.

Funny how the only reason people are so vocal about voting Labour is that they think it makes them look like a better person

Actually I disagree with you Livia. I think a lot of people on this thread are saying they are voting Labour because it is best for them, but that other people shouldn't make their decision based on what is best for them. Which I find odd, and would like someone to explain the logic of to me.

I'm also voting Tory, and consider myself a caring person. But as PPs have said; people don't base their vote on just one policy. TM said today that she would be looking to deport suspected and convicted terrorists, and if challenged by Human Rights laws, she would change the law. But JC responded stating he would absolutely not remove anyone's human rights, because everyone was entitled to be protected by our stupid human rights laws, blah, blah. Now I could ask labour supporters why they would vote for a party who appears to put the welfare and Hunan rights of a terrorist above the safety and wellbeing of our families. Any takers?

I didn't say I was voting Labour Augusta; that's an assumption. But if I were, I certainly couldn't care about looking like a better person. After all, this is an anonymous forum and I namechange frequently. I also don't vocalise my political beliefs regularly unless asked.

Did you watch the most recent political broadcast about the child with mental health problems desperately needing a bed in hospital? The nearest bed was 200 miles away in Scotland. The paediatrician interviewed broke down when describing the parents making a 400 mile round trip to see their son.

But you're right. Not compulsory to have a social conscience after all.

Funny how the only reason people are so vocal about voting Labour is that they think it makes them look like a better person

I don't vote Tory because it feels like the wrong thing. I can see the damage being done to schools, the NHS etc.

Disabled benefits still exist though. The help is still there for genuine claimants

Or had someone read that Tories will get rid of them completely? If so, that would swing it for me

Is there a link?

TM said today that she would be looking to deport suspected and convicted terrorists, and if challenged by Human Rights laws, she would change the law

Deport suspected terrorists?

Also where would those born here be deported to? Or those who have been living here nearly all of their lives?

I have to say, I agree with Corbyns stance more that Mays if all its going to take is 'suspected'. As I believe in innocent until proven guilty. And there is obviously the issue of where we are going to deport all of these 'suspects' to

So I should vote against my own interests? No.

And btw MH services have always been shite - I tried to get help at the height of the last Labour Govt and was told that unless I actually did something to myself there wasn't much they could do.

Innocent until proven guilty?? It's usually too late.... they've killed people by the time they get to the guilty bit!

Watch the 'jihadis next door'.... it's enlightening

Innocent until proven guilty?? It's usually too late.... they've killed people by the time they get to the guilty bit!

If caught planning attacks they absolutely should be punished (not sure deportation is the answer though, as..again...where do we deport them? ) but they already are punished if there is evidence anyway.

I am concerned with what the criteria for 'suspect' would be tbh. Especially if we are going to deport without investigating :/