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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To try and persuade you not to vote Tory.

375 replies

MissBax · 07/06/2017 14:21

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/05/31/the-nayler-report-nhs-privatisation-by-the-back-door/

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/naylor-report-tory-nhs-privatisation-healthcare-flog-off-conservatives-theresa-may-election-2017-a7766326.html

www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-property-and-estates-naylor-review

I am totally and shamelessly begging people not to vote for Theresa May.
Amongst a host of other reasons (education, policing, housing, pay etc), she has confirmed she fully backs the selling off of the NHS.
Follow link above for the full Naylor Review.

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Maxandrubyrubyandmax · 07/06/2017 16:59

I can't believe anyone actually thinks jC could run the country he can't even run his own party. His stand in Home Secretary is someone who signed a letter of no confidence in him. I hope and pray he is well and truest trounced tomorrow and we can actually get an effective opposition in place.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 07/06/2017 17:00

Your tory government took my husband's job and my children had to leave their private school

You assume I vote Tory I don't. So not 'my anything'

I also won't vote Labour whilst JC is in charge.

Oh and the last Labour government took my DH last job and mine.

notanewuser · 07/06/2017 17:00

notnaother one - which big businesses? The ones who already pay employers NI and corporation tax and have a choice to move their head office to whereever they choose?

or are you having a go at the "big businesses" who are based overseas and sell stuff here - like amazon - which hasnt actually made a profit in the UK.

Taxes are paid on profits. If a company loses money it doesnt pay tax. independent Auditors check they aren't cooking the books and make statements to that effect.

They can offset taxes against things like investing in R&D, building things, investing in apprentices.

Those big businesses you mean?

This is the big brexit row thats brewing - our low corporation tax will attract companies here to invest and make jobs.

grins · 07/06/2017 17:06

Frankenstein401 - what evidence do you have to support your confidence that most earning over £200k are paying less than 20%. Perhaps you should share it with HMRC.
How do you explain the tax take from the top 1% if you are indeed correct?

NoLotteryWinYet · 07/06/2017 17:06

even if you felt the corporation tax cuts were misplaced, Corbyn is planning to reintroduce them in 2020 - precisely when brexit will be biting. I sympathize that having really low corporation tax just forces the tax burden onto individuals, but this is so far from sensible timing it's terrifying.

PeanutButterBunny · 07/06/2017 17:19

fessmess Wed 07-Jun-17 14:55:32
...Voting Tory, IMO, means you're either rich or stupid.

These kinds of comments are why I am more determined to vote for Tory. Cheers Wine

NavyandWhite · 07/06/2017 17:21

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Husk · 07/06/2017 17:30

Billsykes dog

Yes i've read it and like I said they are divvying it up with their fucking mates , again.

Take off your blue tinted bifocals and take a look at history.

needsahalo · 07/06/2017 17:31

given that the kids at private school aren't costing the state to educate them, yeah, I do. If they have to be taken out of private school and go into state, that's another place needed and another £5k plus a year for the taxpayer to fund

Realistically, how many children will this affect? I don't pretend to have the stats (pretty sure they don't exist) but let's assume several thousand children are placed back into state education. That'll be up and down the country. We do the census every 10 years precisely so those policy makers and government planners know where to place schools, hospitals, houses, other services etc. Presumably, some kind of formula gives a highest and lowest number of children needing to be educated in a given area, allowing for migration, immigration and private schools. Presumably, there is therefore some level of absorption possible.

I say that as someone with a 13 year old who did a couple of years in private school at the start of his school career. Of a class of 15, I am aware that 6 of us no longer privately educate. The school has continued to thrive - people have taken our places. None of us had an issue getting a state school place. People come, people go, people move, people emigrate, people's financial circumstances change.

The idea that we say those children who are privately educated are somehow more important than the decent, hardworking people of this country who are struggling, the disabled and people who for whatever reason need some form of state support should go without instead is morally abhorrent, at whatever cost. We cannot support a situation where our nurses are using food banks and our key workers cannot afford housing.

The majority will continue to pay their school fees. The rest will be welcomed back into the state system. The lives of the truly vulnerable will be that bit more secure.

LittleBooInABox · 07/06/2017 17:31

YABU - people will vote who they want to vote for. I shall be voting Tory tomorrow.

I can not and will not vote for JC. It'd be like giving coco the clown a the country.

OlennasWimple · 07/06/2017 17:34

I like to use my vote in a positive way: I want to vote for someone I believe in, not because I want to keep someone else out.

So if I didn't vote for the Conservatives, who would you suggest I should vote for given that I would rather gouge my eyes out than support Corbyn?

somewheresomehow · 07/06/2017 17:35

I dont trust any of the lying sods so im not even sure im voting at all

Frankiestein401 · 07/06/2017 17:38

@grins you could try asking @mrsjamesmatthews who said about vat on tuition fees: "We could therefore easily make sure the money we don't spend on private schools doesn't get taxed. Not for now anyway.'

This was in the context of 24k in fees that she would not be paying when she took her children out of private school if vat was added.

You're not really suggesting that most people earning over 200k are paying tax @40% are you those that are, either have a crap accountant or believe in fairness.

What is wrong with the tax system is not the rate just that those outside paye can 'minimise' their taxes.

wifeyhun · 07/06/2017 17:41

YABU I tend to do the opposite of what people tell me to do Smile

MiaowTheCat · 07/06/2017 18:07

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AlexaAmbidextra · 07/06/2017 18:16

Nope. I'm afraid it hasn't worked.

sysysysref · 07/06/2017 18:25

Dadand - if I thought that most people earning over 200k were paying 40% tax I might not be quite so supportive of taxing the 5% - as in another thread I've reasonable confidence the effective tax rate for most will be less than 20%

Don't be so ridiculous, anyone who is PAYE and earning that kind of money is taxed at source and there's no way round it and yes there are plenty of people at that level who are employed. There is a massive different between people who are employees earning that kind of money and the super rich and whilst £200k is incredibly well off it's certainly not tax exile levels.

Tamatoa · 07/06/2017 18:25

I'll be voting conservative, as I always have. I look forward to seeing mumsnet implode with 'terrified' posters who are def going to emigrate now Hmm when the torys win.

Fontella · 07/06/2017 18:27

No you are not being unreasonable.

You can 'try' and 'persuade' . if you like, but posting a couple of links in an OP is not really the way to go about it.

I'm voting Conservative tomorrow and so is everyone I know.

There's not been a thread, or an argument on Mumsnet that has persuaded me otherwise and this thread certainly doesn't even come close to making me reconsider my voting intention.

Dandandandandandandan · 07/06/2017 18:27

Alan sugar posted a pic of his tax cheque today. £58,000,000.

Calyrical · 07/06/2017 18:30

You are very wicked Tamatoe

Grin
Firenight · 07/06/2017 18:32

I am heartily sick of the anti Tory propaganda all over social media. Corbyn is far far from the saint some people want to paint him as.

I have money on a conservative victory.

IPutBabyInTheCorner · 07/06/2017 18:33

Oh fuck off trying to dictate who people vote for. We live in a democracy, you get your vote, everyone else gets theirs. Grow up.

Fontella · 07/06/2017 18:37

I'll be voting conservative, as I always have. I look forward to seeing mumsnet implode with 'terrified' posters who are def going to emigrate now hmm when the torys win.

Ah ... I remember so well being a young left wing firebrand tearing into my friends and telling them 'if Thatcher gets in, I'm going to emigrate'.

And here I am, 30 odd years on, still living in the UK, having been through every political shade from red to blue since then and voting Conservative tomorrow for the first time, without a doubt in my mind, because I am older, wiser, with more life experience behind me and I know that the idealistic socialism I once so vociferously defended is a crock of shite, as is the liberalism I campaigned for until fairly recently, and the heart busting out of your chest nationalism I also embraced (Welsh and Welsh speaking).

I'm voting Conservative tomorrow and there's absolutely fuck all any of you on here can say to change my mind because it's my vote, my life, my experience and my decision.

Likewise it's your vote, your life and so on. If there are more who think like me we will win tomorrow and if there are more who think like the OP you will win tomorrow.

That's how democracy works and we are lucky to have it still.

CivQueen · 07/06/2017 18:39

Yabu

The kind of people who have and will always vote Tory are the kind of people who would vote Tory even if May kicked their baby in the face Grin