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CaveMum · 10/06/2017 18:36

mavis it was John Niven.

Lweji · 10/06/2017 19:21

Lmao, every single Trump/Russia article is an opinion piece. There isn't a single shred of evidence to support the claims.
Opinion or reporting?

Drumpf was supposed to be FINISHED after the Comey testimony, now the media are moving the goalposts.

Only the very naive thought it would be the end there and then. Most of us know it's just part of a process that it's just starting.
I'd love to know what he told the Senators on the closed session.

Hopefully we have moved past this silliness the next time I pop in.

Sure. Just for you. Grin

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Lweji · 10/06/2017 19:22

Indeed, enough of the silliness.

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Lweji · 10/06/2017 19:29

Did Scaramanga write that piece before or after he was picked to be Ambassador to the OECD?
Any bets? It looks like a chicken and egg situation.

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Stuffofawesome · 10/06/2017 19:36

Don't know why lawyers needed if Trump was 'vindicated' by Comey www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-mueller-russia-probe-20170609-story.html

cozietoesie · 10/06/2017 20:34

Ms Maddow's show from - last night, I think?

Dreeben receives a mention at the end.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/06/2017 20:35

Amy Siskind weekly update:

m.facebook.com/amy.siskind/posts/10212936836560786

GingerIvy · 10/06/2017 20:57

The Telegraph‏Verified account @Telegraph 3m3 minutes ago
#BREAKING: Five people injured as car hits pedestrians outside train station in Amsterdam
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/10/five-people-injured-car-hits-pedestrians-outside-train-station/

GingerIvy · 10/06/2017 21:02

Anyone that thinks at this point that Trump is honest, hardworking, and "for" the American people is playing a seriously scary game of D&D.... Delusion and Denial.

AcrossthePond55 · 10/06/2017 21:51

I think our 'drop in Trumpette' needs to understand that no one expected Comey's testimony to be the final brick in the wall. God knows, we've all posted that feeling 1000 times.

But what it is, is a piece of the puzzle. It may be a 500 piece jigsaw instead of a 15 piece nursery puzzle, but eventually that 500th piece will be placed. If when that 500th piece is placed it shows that Scrotus wasn't personally involved in RussiaHackGate, then I will accept the facts. But that still wouldn't absolve him from being a grasping, dishonest, racist, sexually abusive twat who is not fit and does not have the morals nor honour that we should be able to expect from our President.

I see that the AP is saying that the Amsterdam incident is not being considered a terrorist act. I hope it stays that way.

lionheart · 10/06/2017 22:00

Yes, to that analogy Across. Al Franken said something similar about putting together a 'puzzle' when he had his turn at the Yates testimony.

Frustrating and perilous to have to wait but a huge investigation and it has to be done absolutely by the book.

cozietoesie · 10/06/2017 22:05

Perilous indeed. You can not lie in the Middle East - they remember and they judge you for it. (And he does love the sound of his own voice.)

lionheart · 10/06/2017 22:12

His word means nothing.

thinkprogress.org/trump-lgbtq-rights-c4233bd9b1d3

TheNorthWestPawsage · 10/06/2017 22:18

Amy Siskin's weekly summary has depressed me more than usual today and after reading these 2 articles I just despair at the lack of humanity. We must persist!
amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/10/anti-muslim-rallies-across-us-denounced-by-civil-rights-groups
m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_593ab30ce4b0b13f2c69ba87

cozietoesie · 10/06/2017 22:24

It needs to if you're negotiating in the Middle East. (In many places now, people have stopped listening to what he says and pay regard only to what he actually does. That's not universal, though.)

cozietoesie · 10/06/2017 22:27

Thanks for the Siskind update, Pain. Smile

PerkingFaintly · 10/06/2017 22:53

Experts in authoritarianism advise to keep a list of things subtly changing around you, so you’ll remember. Here's week 30:
(June 10, 2017) - © 2017 Amy Siskind

This week all eyes were on the Comey testimony, which opened the door for what could be obstruction of justice, an impeachable offense. Despite Republicans controlling the House, Senate and White House, legislative progress has largely come to a halt amid weekly and sometimes daily bombshells, as all eyes turn to the Trump-Russia scandal. Also of note is the complete disarray of the Trump regime, and the difficulty Trump is having hiring staff and even finding legal representation.

  1. In the aftermath of terrorists attacks in London Saturday night, Trump attacked the Mayor tweeting, “At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is “no reason to be alarmed!”
  2. The US ambassador to the UK contradicted Trump, tweeting from the embassy account we “Commend the strong leadership” of the Mayor.
  3. Trump used the attack as an opportunity Error! Hyperlink reference not valid., “I am calling it what we need and what it is, a TRAVEL BAN!” Ironically, the Trump regime spent months denying it was a “ban.”
  4. Trump also criticized Sessions, tweeting the DOJ should have stayed with the first Muslim ban, “not the watered down, politically correct version.”
  5. Experts said Trump’s tweets would likely hurt the chances on appeal at the Supreme Court.
  6. NYT reported that Trump is fuming at Sessions, especially over his decision to recuse himself from the Russia investigation.
  7. Mattis tried to reassure allies at a conference in Singapore, asking them to “bear with us” after Trump’s disastrous foreign trip.
  8. POLITICO reported that Trump’s national security team was blind-sighted when he left out the planned language reaffirming US commitment to Article 5 from his NATO summit speech in Brussels.
  9. A noose was found at a construction site in DC, marking the third noose found in the DC area this week.
10. The Ku Klux Klan applied to hold a rally in Charlottesville on July 8th. 11. Reuters reported that the Trump regime is seeking to reopen hundreds of cases of illegal immigrants who were granted a reprieve under Obama. 12. Buzzfeed reviewed more than 50 reports of school bullying, and found that kids nationwide are using Trump’s words to taunt their classmates. 13. Kim Weaver dropped her run for Congress against Trump ally, Steve King, after receiving multiple death threats. 14. POLITICO reported that Tillerson has made himself largely inaccessible to staff and outsiders, funneling all inquiries through two staffers. 15. The Mayor of Los Angeles said ICE’s aggressive raids could cause high tensions in his city to boil over: “I fear a tinderbox out there.” 16. Canadian searches for flights to US cities have dropped by 43% since Trump’s first proposed Muslim Ban. 17. Ivanka continued her efforts to reset her image, appearing on the cover of US Weekly with a headline, “Why I Disagree with My Dad.” 18. Questions arose of whether it is constitutional for Trump to block users, given he Twitter communicate about domestic and foreign policy. 19. Trump filed a 6 month extension for filing his 2016 taxes. His rationale for the extension is unknown. 20. WSJ reported Saudi Arabia’s lobbyists and consultants spent $270k at the Trump Hotel DC as part of an effort to lobby Trump against a bi-partisan Act that lets Americans sue foreign countries over terrorist attacks. 21. The DOJ argued Trump can accept payments from foreign governments, saying the emoluments clause doesn’t apply to “fair-market commercial transactions” like payments for hotel rooms and golf club fees. 22. As questions remain on why Kushner met with VEB’s Gorkov, Bloomberg reported that Kushner is seeking a $250mm loan to pay back Chinese investors for a New Jersey luxury tower. US banks are wary to lend. 23. WNYC reported the Kushner family is set to lose $6.5mm in annual tax credits for a property in Jersey City. 24. The acting US ambassador to China resigned over Trump’s decision to withdraw from the Paris Accord. 25. The head of the US Patent Office resigned. 26. 85% of the top science jobs in Trump’s executive branch remain unfilled and do not have a nominee. 27. The chief executive of Newseum warned that Trump’s denigration of the media would lead to the “delegitimization of journalists,” and encourage authoritarians to target reporters and newspapers around the world. 28. Rep Gianforte agreed to pay $50k to the Committee to Project Journalists in a civil settlement for assaulting journalist Ben Jacobs. 29. Mueller brought in several, well-known attorneys with relevant experience to join his special counsel Russia probe, including Michael Dreeben, the DOJ’s top criminal law expert. 30. Yahoo reported four top law firmed turned down requests to represent Trump citing his unwillingness to listen to advice, potential harm to recruiting and client relationships, and his history of not paying bills. 31. Forbes reported that at a charity golf tournament run by Eric Trump for St. Jude Children’s Research, $1.2 million of expenses paid to the Trump Organization had no documented receipts. 32. Additionally, $500k was re-donated to other charities (4 of whom subsequently held tournaments at Trump golf courses), and $100k was funneled though the Eric Trump Foundation to the Trump Organization. 33. The NY Attorney General’s office said it will look into these payouts by Eric Trump’s Foundation. 34. Flynn turned over more than 600 pages of documents to the Senate Intel Comm. Most are business records, but also some personal documents. 35. The Intercept published a leaked top-secret NSA document which detailed the efforts of Russian hackers to target a voting-software supplier and more than 100 local election officials just prior to Election Day. 36. The FBI arrested the leaker: 25 year-old Reality Winner, a federal contractor in Augusta, Georgia. The FBI was able to track the leak to Winner after The Intercept provided a copy to the NSA for comment. 37. Warner, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intel Comm said Russian attacks on our election were broader and targeted more states than reported in The Intercept. 38. Sen Klobuchar asked that the Senate Rules Comm get a classified briefing on the Russian vote hacking attempts. 39. Deutsche Bank ignored the House Democrats’ request for information on Trump’s accounts and possible ties to Russia. 40. Thursday, Deutsche Bank blamed privacy laws for preventing the bank from disclosing the information requested. 41. At a Senate Intel Comm hearing Wednesday, Coats, Rogers and Rosenstein largely refused to answer senators’ questions. One conservative journalist called it contempt of Congress. 42. A pro-Trump PAC ran ads attacking Comey as a “showboat” and a failure on the day of his testimony. 43. WAPO reported Coats told associates Trump asked him to intervene to get Comey to back off the FBI’s investigation of Flynn in its Russia probe. 44. Sources said the ask was made at the end of a briefing at the WH, when Trump asked everyone to leave the room, except Coats and Pompeo. 45. NYT reported the day after Trump asked Comey to end the investigation of Trump, Comey told Sessions not to leave him alone with Trump. 46. ABC reported that Trump lashed out repeatedly at Sessions in private meetings about recusing himself from Russia, and that Sessions in turn suggested he could resign. 47. After allegations Nunes was behind the House Intel subpoenas on “unmasking,” Nunes refused to confirm if he had stepped aside in the Russia probe. 48. VOX reported that Comey had spoken to three senior FBI officials (Rybicki, Baker, McCabe), who could vouch for his story that Trump asked him to shut down the Flynn investigation. 49. Trump’s approval hit a new low in a Quinnipiac poll: approve 34%, disapprove 57%. Of note, Trump is almost underwater with white men! 50. A senior State Dept official will travel to Russia to help solve the “irritants” in our relationship. 51. Putin threatened Sweden with a military response to “eliminate the threat” if the country joins NATO. 52. Former DNI Clapper said “Watergate pales” compared to what the US is confronting now. 53. Ahead of his testimony Thursday, on Wednesday the Sen Intel Comm released seven pages of Comey’s testimony. 54. Highlights include: unusually frequent contacts with Trump, Trump requested a loyalty pledge, Comey documented all contact, Trump focused on Russian hooker report, and Trump asked him to let Flynn off. 55. Trump’s pick for FBI director, Wray, works for a law firm that counts among it’s clients Russian-state oil companies Rosneft and Gazprom 56. Comey testified to much ballyhoo in an open session Thursday. Major networks covered the testimony, and many in DC caught “Comey fever” and played hooky to watch at restaurants and pubs. 57. Among the highlights: Comey said Trump lied about him and the FBI; that Sessions had no choice but to recuse himself; and that he was fired because of the Russia investigation. 58. Comey said he took notes starting directly after the first meeting on January 6 because he was concerned Trump “might lie.” Comey did not feel the need to take notes with Obama or W Bush. 59. On Trump’s threat of having taped his conversations, Comey said, “Lordy, I hope there are tapes.” This spurred another round of demands by Democrats for Trump to produce the tapes, or admit he lied. 60. Comey said Sessions seemed uncomfortable when Trump asked him to leave the room, “My sense was the attorney general knew he shouldn’t be leaving.” Comey said the same of Kushner. 61. Comey said he leaked a memo about his meeting with Trump through a friend at Columbia to the NYT in hopes of getting a special counsel appointed. 62. Comey testified he has given his memos to Mueller, and suggested the special counsel is investigating Trump for obstruction of justice. 63. Comey said there was no doubt that Russia interfered in our election, saying, “they’re coming after America” and “they will be back.” He also noted this is an attack on our democracy, not a particular political party. 64. Trump’s lawyer, Kasowitz responded, included a written statement where he misspelled President. He also got the timeline of the Comey memo wrong, and falsely accused Comey of leaking classified information. 65. After the Comey testimony, Republicans mostly shied away from the camera this week, while Speaker Ryan offered a tepid defense for Trump’s actions: “he’s just new to this.” 66. Numerous Trump surrogates spent the days surrounding Comey’s testimony by trying to smear him as a liar and attention seeker. 67. NBC reported that during the Senate Intel Comm’s closed hearing, senators learned about a third, undisclosed meeting between Sessions and Russia. This confirms an item in Week 29, which the DOJ denied. 68. PM May suffered a major setback in the UK elections, as her Conservative Party lost the majority. Her party’s loss also could spell trouble for Brexit. 69. Senate Intel Comm staff will interview Kushner next week. NBC reported that Congress wants to ask Kushner if he was seeking funding for his NYC tower. 70. Pelosi told MSNBC that she is looking into why Trump picked Saudi Arabia as his first country to visit. Past presidents, going back to Reagan had visited close allies Canada or Mexico first. 71. Pelosi also said she is looking into why in Saudi Arabia, Trump had again cleared the room 72. Trump and Tillerson had an embarrassing difference in foreign policy on Qatar as Tillerson said there should “be no further escalation by parties in the region,” and Trump sided with Saudi Arabia and others calling Qatar a sponsor of terrorism. 73. Trump’s attorney said he would file a complaint against Comey for leaking his memo to his friend at Columbia. 74. According to a letter from the US Office of Special Counsel, Trump’s social media director Scavino violated the Hatch Act in April when he tweeted a call to oust a member of the House. He was issued a warning. 75. In a Friday speech with the president of Romania in the Rose Garden, Trump switched course again and said he would support Article 5 of the NATO pact. 76. Trump also called Comey a liar and a “leaker,” and that Comey’s testimony showed there was “no collusion, no obstruction.” 77. Trump also said he would be willing to tell his side of story under oath, “100 percent,” but still would not confirm is the “tapes” really exist. 78. Top Democratic donor Tom Steyer called for impeachment hearings over obstruction of justice. 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cozietoesie · 10/06/2017 23:09

On the assumption that you all - or mostly all - remember that there was this thing called a Senate Hearing last week. Wink

5 Clues

cozietoesie · 10/06/2017 23:14

This is ultimately quite a sad piece, touching upon the Aftermath as it does.

Forget it Paul

TheClaws · 11/06/2017 00:06

Not sure if this has been posted, but for me, it sums up the utter insanity and idiocy of the Trump administration. A set of free MN steak knives to anyone who works out what it means.

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TheClaws · 11/06/2017 00:21

There isn't a single shred of evidence to support the claims

ayyylmao I don't think you've been listening, then. Trump may not be directly connected, simply because he is too simple, or can't be trusted to keep his mouth shut. But I think the possibility of that is getting slimmer by the day. His associates - such as Flynn - do have deep-seated Russian ties. Unless he's been wandering around with his ears blocked and his eyes shut, Trump could not have been unaware of what was happening around him. And if he was unaware, doesn't that raise questions for you as to his competence?

Perihelion · 11/06/2017 00:45

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world

Sessions to appear before the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday.

cozietoesie · 11/06/2017 00:51

Apparently, her kid got hold of her unlocked phone, Claws. Apparently. Grin

cozietoesie · 11/06/2017 00:53

Sessions' appearance might be ........interesting. Smile

TheClaws · 11/06/2017 01:17

Not buying it, Cozie Grin

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