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JC calling for TMs resignation

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AngeloMysterioso · 05/06/2017 13:34

story in The Independent

So Jeremy Corbyn is saying Theresa May should resign as whilst Home Sec she cut 20,000 officers from the police service.

AIBU to think he's got a bloody good point, and it's all very well her pontificating now, saying he's the one not tough enough etc and trying to score points against him, when it could be argued that her actions have made what would already be an awful situation considerably worse??

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Cakeahoy · 05/06/2017 16:03

May voted half the same as Corbyn.

She ducked out of a few of the votes too, was it about 3 or 4 she was absent for?

Orlantina · 05/06/2017 16:05

You're aware Corbyn doesn't believe in shoot to kil

Some people on here are unable to think, are they?

Should all terrorists be shot dead straight away? No matter what?

Or should shoot to kill be - as the police already adopt - depending on the circumstances?

Do you remember the IRA people who were shot dead in Gibralter?

Do you remember what happened at the funeral afterwards and the whole controversy over what happened?

Madbengalmum · 05/06/2017 16:08

Corbyn has now just said that he doesn't think she should resign and today he agrees with shoot to kill, yesterday he didn't . What does he want?

Badweekjustgotworse · 05/06/2017 16:11

badtaste

Just to reiterate that last image you posted was from 2015, long after the Ira was disbanded and it was taken in portcullis house a parliament building in Westminster, McGuinness was the deputy first minister of Northern Ireland at the time

MaybeNextWeek · 05/06/2017 16:12

'You know what I'm sick of hearing, JC is a terrorist he was in with the IRA. Like a stock answer for total twunts' Confused

Does the truth piss you off or something? I maybe a 'twunt' but any 'twunt' can see his support for 'dialogue' isn't very selective.

'As has been drawn out earlier - he attended IRA funerals and laid wreaths but never did that for the other side. He was not an honest broker by a long shot. The same argument about his contacts with Hamas - if was searching for peace - did he engage any hardline Israeli settler groups?'

This ^ please JC groupies, explain..

makeourfuture · 05/06/2017 16:14

a useful idiot to give legitimacy to their cause.

Like the Tories are for bankers/1%?

BadTasteFlump · 05/06/2017 16:14

badweek that's irrelevant to me. My point is any photo can be made to look bad, or not. The TM one is just as irrelevant.

MaybeNextWeek · 05/06/2017 16:14

'Corbyn has now just said that he doesn't think she should resign and today he agrees with shoot to kill, yesterday he didn't '

Lets all shriek together 'king of the U turn!!!'

Madbengalmum · 05/06/2017 16:16

King of when the narrative fits!

makeourfuture · 05/06/2017 16:18

Holding hands with Donald Trump.

Fab39ish · 05/06/2017 16:18

Well than him and May have something in common.

WalkingOnLeg0 · 05/06/2017 16:19

'Corbyn has now just said that he doesn't think she should resign and today he agrees with shoot to kill, yesterday he didn't '

I bet he never used the words "I agree with a shoot to kill policy", because if he ever got to be PM he would need a get out clause for when he ends the shoot to kill policy.

MaybeNextWeek · 05/06/2017 16:21

'King of when the narrative fits!'
Absolutely. Only when taking the piss Grin

Sostenueto · 05/06/2017 16:29

After having g waded through the Nolan report and finding that May intends to follow its advice in selling up all NHS assets eg buildings and land cheaply and in some cases 2 for 1 and penalising NHS trust a that refuse to sell by reducing funding to them and charging 3% interest I really think that everyone should have a go at reading it just so as you know what your vote to May entails. I am surprised the media hasn't picked up on it.

Sostenueto · 05/06/2017 16:31

Oh by the way the guy who helped compile it works for the biggest health insurer in the USA. For a wonder May is licking Trumps rear.

AllThePrettySeahorses · 05/06/2017 16:34

When May voted against anti-terror legislation, was it just her or was it the Tories in opposition whipping a blanket vote against just for the sake of opposing iyswim?

I know the thread has moved on, but Corbyn would actually have to deal with Saudi Arabia if he became PM. There's be plenty of pictures of him with Saudi officials, seeing as it's our main ally in the region. The country wouldn't just disappear.

grins · 05/06/2017 16:53

That will be the Naylor report. You obviously read it very carefully.

I'd like to see the quote from the report where it recommends selling up "all NHS assets eg building and land cheaply...."

Robert Naylor has been Chief Executive of UCLH for the last 15+ years. Whether he has some advisory role for a US insurer I do not know, but he has been a stalwart member of the NHS for most of his career.

Spreading falsehoods undermines the political process.

Nikephorus · 05/06/2017 16:56

She ducked out of a few of the votes too, was it about 3 or 4 she was absent for?
Bear in mind that when they have these votes there's a reciprocal arrangement (sometimes at least - when the voting is going to be fairly unanimous across both main parties which happened in some of the terror bills) so when one MP doesn't / can't attend their opposite number doesn't either. So it's possible that either she was genuinely unable to attend & therefore her opposite also didn't attend, or she was not attending to balance the numbers on the other side (iyswim). It came up on some election interview or article or whatever in the last few days (can't remember where) & I remember that at least a couple of votes were 3rd readings or whatever where she'd attended the first readings and voted for & had then been genuinely absent for the final vote where it was going to be carried regardless because of cross-party agreement. (I'm not great at explaining - the programme / article I saw was better).

MarciaBlaine · 05/06/2017 17:21

Naylor is proposing to sell off NHS real estate though? And some other bugger is suggesting selling off the forests...

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 05/06/2017 17:25

Do people really believe that if Corbyn won the election he won't be dealing with Saudi

His questionable principles may want to stop the UK selling weapons but he would find he will have an even larger hole in the budget

And we need a close ally in the ME and that is Saudi or shall we gain close relations to his friends Hamas and Hezbollah Hmm

Like it or not we shall continue with the close relationship we have with Saudi whoever is in government

HornyTortoise · 05/06/2017 17:29

Pretty sick to use the recent tragic events to throw cheap shots at the PM

As opposed to throwing cheap shots at JC in the 'campaigning' speech right after it had been decided campaigning was halted?

Anyway, I didn't hear that he was 'calling her to resign'. I heard him say he would back calls for her to resign, though would not call for it himself and his opinion is that it will be decided at the ballot box...or course this was immediately spun into 'JC calls for TM to resign' and has been repeated all day so maybe people do now think this was what was said, despite him clearly saying he personally did NOT call for her to resign.

HornyTortoise · 05/06/2017 17:31

and today he agrees with shoot to kill, yesterday he didn't '

www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/myth-busting-corbyn-ira-nuclear-weapons-2084114

What JC actually says on various issues, V what the press spin it into. Pretty interesting tbh, and has the actual quotes being said to back it up.

Ktown · 05/06/2017 17:32

Neither side know what the hell to do with all the ISIS sympathisers and supporters in the uk. They cannot all be locked up.
It is very difficult to stop a lunatic with a knife and a van which is why it is a perfect crime.
Teresa may and Jc need to work together at the moment. A solution is going to be difficult but crappy sniping isn't going to help now.

makeourfuture · 05/06/2017 17:35

There is no shame in May resigning.

We just need somebody to get in there and make the changes - give the police what they need - to insure the safety of the public.

It can't go on like this.

grins · 05/06/2017 17:56

Marcia - he is. Not the thread for this discussion really, but I can't see anything in principle wrong with the NHS selling off land it is not using effectively. I think he is talking about c.£2bn of land which is small beer in the context of the NHS estate. It will free up some resources for the investment that so many hospitals actually need.

I just wanted to point out that Sostenueto's posts were (being generous) not reflective of the report.