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JC calling for TMs resignation

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AngeloMysterioso · 05/06/2017 13:34

story in The Independent

So Jeremy Corbyn is saying Theresa May should resign as whilst Home Sec she cut 20,000 officers from the police service.

AIBU to think he's got a bloody good point, and it's all very well her pontificating now, saying he's the one not tough enough etc and trying to score points against him, when it could be argued that her actions have made what would already be an awful situation considerably worse??

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Nikephorus · 05/06/2017 14:33

Maybe we should listen to Keir Starmer who has said that the fault lies with the terrorists on this occasion and on every occasion.
This ^^

Westray · 05/06/2017 14:33

Thankfully neither labour or Tory will win in my area.

derxa · 05/06/2017 14:34

Maybe we should listen to Keir Starmer who has said that the fault lies with the terrorists on this occasion and on every occasion.
This.

BadTasteFlump · 05/06/2017 14:36

Did you read that thread on here after he died?

I may have done but will look it up...

And abi I'm not surprised - her maj is as dodgy as hell.

OnionKnight · 05/06/2017 14:38

Prime Sinister was very deliberate Grin

Orlantina · 05/06/2017 14:38

Please give us an unbiased reference to this? I can't recall a recent bill or debate where this was on the agenda

I wonder if there is a Hansard link.
And I also wonder what the debate was about?

There's an example of people saying that Abbot voted against a bill involving certain terrorist groups which were named. In fact, the bill named lots of groups - of which some may well have been seen as freedom fighters by some and as terrorists by others. That's why it was controversial.

But you can say that Abbot voted against a bill that would have outlawed Hamas without mentioning that her issue was that it would have outlawed many other groups as well.

And you don't have to say who else voted against that bill. Just say that Abbot did.

user1487175389 · 05/06/2017 14:39

Hear hear.

And I'm not a Labour voter nor am I ever likely to be.

BadTasteFlump · 05/06/2017 14:41

ok then

JC calling for TMs resignation
olliegarchy99 · 05/06/2017 14:42

So the terrorist attacks on 7/7 and 21/7 when there are allegedly more police on the street were in 2005 and were the worst seen in the UK - and labour not the Conservatives were in charge then!

C8H10N4O2 · 05/06/2017 14:44

Maybe we should listen to Keir Starmer who has said that the fault lies with the terrorists on this occasion and on every occasion.

Yes I agree.

Its no secret that May and Osborne didn't get on and he cut her budget repeatedly and would have cut it more were it not for tactical leaking from her department. Within that she prioritised intelligence and terrorism spending over bobbies on the beat - that would be consistent with the evidence tbf. Voters want to see more beat police but the reduction in percentage on patrol started years ago as detection techniques moved on.

I would like to see more community policing specifically but I have to say that is a desire I can't back up with much evidence for detection or crime reduction. I suspect there is evidence around community relations.

Lord knows I don't like May or her policies but this isn't a space in which Corbyn can credibly take the moral high ground as his net contribution has been opposing all proposed anti-terror legislation from the back benches (and I've agreed with him on some of those votes).

ShatnersWig · 05/06/2017 14:44

You can find photos of an awful lot of Tory MPs sitting or standing with McGuinness and Adams. That by itself means nothing.

The photo Flump has used is, going by how old they all look, very definitely post Good Friday Agreement when McGuinness and Adams were Sinn Fein MPs, regardless of their past IRA involvement.

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 05/06/2017 14:45

i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/17/article-2343042-1A5C86BE000005DC-961_634x472.jpg

Shock even The Obamas are at it. Or maybe actually it doesn't matter who the heck me too McGinness, who actually risked his life to start talks with the British govt.

Orlantina · 05/06/2017 14:46

Turn if we can to JC. Both he, Diane Abbott and McDonnell voted against prosecuting returning fighters from Syria

You mean the Counter Terrorism and Security Bill?

HoneyDragon · 05/06/2017 14:47

Would 20'000 extra police prevented what happened in London?

The amount of police in the UK is a discussion worth having, absolutely. But how would 20000 extra employed police have prevented those poor folk being maimed and murdered?

Orlantina · 05/06/2017 14:48

badtaste

You do realise that Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness were elected politicians in Northern Ireland - a place that seems to be peaceful after decades of sectarian violence?

I really think you should have read that Northern Ireland thread but it's probably vanished now.

notanewuser · 05/06/2017 14:49

Ref the votes against the bill
source

A little research will also show that Corbyn has voted against every piece of anti terrorism legislation bar two. He abstained in them.

For someone who claims that he is in favour of peace can anyone here explain why he voted AGAINST the good friday agreement?? You know the one that brought peace to NI. Anyone? Anyone? Nope. Thought not.

Hont1986 · 05/06/2017 14:49

The moral culpability always lies with the terrorists, no-one is saying that they are not to blame. But they didn't appear out of the blue. There is always some cause-and-effect.

Orlantina · 05/06/2017 14:50

But how would 20000 extra employed police have prevented those poor folk being maimed and murdered

Did have 20,000 fewer police and reduced resources make it just that bit easier to slip through the net, fall under the radar and affect community policing where relationships can be built, the police are local and visible and local discussions can be had?

We'll never know.

makeourfuture · 05/06/2017 14:50

But how would 20000 extra employed police have prevented those poor folk being maimed and murdered?

An officer could have seen them loading the van and thought it looked suspicious....

makeourfuture · 05/06/2017 14:51

Maybe with more contact with the community someone would have said, "I'm worried about next door...."

shinyredbus · 05/06/2017 14:51

Yes yes we all get it; TM is shit, the Tories are crap. JC is great, Labour is fantastic. I can't wait for Thursday so threads like these stop.

HoneyDragon · 05/06/2017 14:53

Maybe with more contact with the community someone would have said, "I'm worried about next door

I think that's a bigger social problem than just policing Sad

ShatnersWig · 05/06/2017 14:54

notauser And TM voted or abstained in most terrorism measures proposed over the last 15 years, especially anything proposed by Labour. So it's not really a great stick to bash JC with (I reiterate, I am neither a Tory or Labour voter)

Orlantina · 05/06/2017 14:55

Ref the votes against the bill

So the actual bill was not specific to Syria but was about people being
deprived of their citizenship and made stateless if their presence was not felt to be conducive to the public good?

And you then spun that to make it specifically about Syria.

Did you see what you did?