JC calling for TMs resignation

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story in The Independent

So Jeremy Corbyn is saying Theresa May should resign as whilst Home Sec she cut 20,000 officers from the police service.

AIBU to think he's got a bloody good point, and it's all very well her pontificating now, saying he's the one not tough enough etc and trying to score points against him, when it could be argued that her actions have made what would already be an awful situation considerably worse??

notanewuser no one is yet to tell me why he voted against the good friday agreement.
He didn't vote against it.

It's quite saddening to realise how many journalists and posters on here in cahoots with Matthew Parker Street apparently have so little knowledge of what was going on in the late 80s and 90s concerning the IRA and other terrorist organisations, or do they suffer from selective memory?
You do all realise that once Thatcher was disposed, by Conservative MPs no less, the way was open for her successor as PM to start secret talks with them, with the support of Irish Taoiseach Albert Reynolds? It was a Conservative government who was dealing with Guinness and Adams, it was a Conservative Government who realised that the only way to cease the endless tide off murder and maiming was to actually engage on a political level with those responsible?
Somehow all this is being conveniently brushed under the carpet and the Daily Mail and others re-frame the stance of JC as somehow deplorable, whilst pretending no one else shared his views, least of all their beloved Conservatives!

Badtaste I don't think there was much negotiating with the IRA. They were let out of jail and let off the hook. I lived through the bombings of the 1970s and Jerry Adams was and is one of the most evil men on the planet. They tried to kill the entire government- Brighton bombing.

If you think you can get ISIS round the table, as does JC, good luck to you. But you are more likely to find a pink unicorn.

You know what I'm sick of hearing, JC is a terrorist he was in with the IRA. Like a stock answer for total twunts.

Let's just get this straight.
Until yesterday JC was against arming the police.
He talked to Hamas.
He has dodged every question on defence including would he push the button.

DA couldn't even come up with the right number of police needed (and some of that number Labour want are not police they are community officers)
She couldn't cost it.

And yet this man has the audacity to call for the Pm to resign.

I hope he takes a flying fuck after Thursday.

Polly in which case, you need to educate yourself. There was a LOT of negotiation. At the same time, though, you're right that you can't get ISIS round a table for all manner of reasons.

Polly Let's just get this one straight at least.

The stuff about JC not wanting the police armed and anti-shoot to kill is incorrect. In fact, that stems from an interview in which the BBC omitted a vital part of his answer and even the BBC Trust ruled against its own staff in that they took this out of context.

But MMCG and JA were not in those roles when he was meeting them. The channel for secret talks was between MI6, a Derry Business Man and the various commanders.

By the time of the AI agreement, the IRA was infiltrated and compromised even to the extent that the head of security for the IRA Army Command was working for MI5. I read a lot about this in the Irish press recently. Corbyn was regarded by many of the command structure as a useful idiot to give legitimacy to their cause. They didnt use him for negotiations as he was not in a position to deliver anything at all to the various parties.

As has been drawn out earlier - he attended IRA funerals and laid wreaths but never did that for the other side. He was not an honest broker by a long shot. The same argument about his contacts with Hamas - if was searching for peace - did he engage any hardline Israeli settler groups?

JC calling for TMs resignation

Shouldn't JC resign for his support for IRA terrorists?
Shouldn't JC resign for his support for Russia?
Shouldn't JC resign for his abdication of the defence of this realm?
Shouldn't JC resign for his refusing to sing the national anthem?
Shouldn't JC resign for losing a vote of no confidence by his MPs?
Shouldn't JC resign for leading the party that nearly bankrupt this country?
Shouldn't JC resign for failing his A-Levels?

Oh wait there is a general election in 3 days, did JC forget that?

Badtaste

Pretty sick to use the recent tragic events to throw cheap shots at the PM. Particularly when you've been kissing terrorists arses for decades...

THIS!!!!

Disgusting. And fucking hypocritical bearing in mind he's opposed every single terror legislation. AND his own party have no confidence in him and he has ignored numerous calls for his resignation.

notanewuser Apparently if you weren't at those funerals and saw JC then your just making up his support for the IRA.

ShatnersWig The BBC have just replayed the clip of his opposition to shoot to kill, in all its context. And yes he said it was 'quite dangerous’ and ‘counterproductive’. Bang to rights

there was a lot of discussion with the Sinn Fein and the SDLP and DUP. Much of it behind closed doors. A huge amount of negotiation.

But Corbyn was never engaged in any of it. Even when Blair finished off the work that John Major put in train. Corbyn consistently supported the hardline republican cause. A cause that all sides of the debate in Ireland and the North now see as achieving little other than hardening British public opinion. Omagh and Enniskillen remembrance day to name but two. They even sickened members of the IRA.

fuckwittery As I stated earlier, TM also voted against a lot of terror legislation. Not as often as Corbyn, but pretty often. So, on those many times when both TM and JC voted against terror legislation, was she wrong also?

Quiz Question: which of the two main political parties, Tory or Labour, has a councillor who was once a member of the IRA and who said "the more Briish soldiers that are killed the better"?

Oh my we are out in force today.

Rattled?

I'm taking a leaf out of the shy Tory voter by keeping quiet, watching and waiting until the election.

Every seat under that 100 majority they thought they'd get will be getting a cheer from me.

I'll leave you with this lovely day dream

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-poll-latest-tories-majority-miss-seats-yougov-survey-labour-theresa-may-a7773106.html%3Famp

Walking: Speaking in the aftermath of the 2015 Paris attacks, Corbyn told reporter Laura Kuenssberg: “I am not happy with a shoot-to-kill policy in general. I think that is quite dangerous and I think can often be counterproductive.” The video has since gone viral after last Saturday’s (June 3) tragic terrorist attack in London Bridge, with many claiming Corbyn would apply the same logic in response to a future attack.

In a rare case, the BBC Trust ruled in January 2017 that Corbyn’s quotes were placed out of context. Instead of outright stating that police shouldn’t shoot to kill in response to a terror attack, he said he was against the military policing Britain’s streets. A vital part of the quote was omitted from the BBC’s original video. He said: “Of course you’d bring people on to the streets to prevent and ensure there is safety within our society, much better that’s done by the police than security services, much better we have strong and effective community policing, neighbourhood policing and a cohesive society that brings people together.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/19/exclusive-mi5-opened-file-jeremy-corbyn-amid-concerns-ira-links/
He might not have gone to funerals but he did many other things which brought him to the attention of MI5

Until yesterday JC was against arming the police

Really? When did he say that?

Or was that something you think you heard?

I do want to repeat, I am neither a Tory or a Labour voter, I just prefer proper reasoned debate and actual facts being put on the table rather than soundbites and specific angles.

You can't use voting against terror legislation in itself against JC if on over half of these pieces of legislation TM voted the same way as JC. If she had never voted against any, or only voted against one or two, fair enough. But if she voted the same as JC for over half, then it's a false argument. You have to ask why he was wrong but she wasn't, or vice versa.

ShatnersWig Yes the BBC showed the whole thing again today at lunch time. Corbyn called the shoot to kill policy 'quite dangerous’ and ‘counterproductive’. The man cannot be trusted with our safety.

You're aware Corbyn doesn't believe in shoot to kill?? And that we can pacify these terrorist by talking?

The fact that JC is against the security services is a worry - seems like more knee jerk outdated reaction to me. Our security services need our support, not distrust.

ShatnersWig they don't want to hear it.

This whole campaign has to be about how deranged and selfish Corbyn has to be.

And pesky little facts will not get in the way of that.

They've heard he wants to melt all the police guns and they are sticking to it God dammit!

Even Tory voters can't discuss details are there any? of the Tory plans without instantly referring to Corbyn.

Or if they are really losing the argument = Abbott (can we lose her soon? )

In fact you can point out the truth all you want.

In another five minutes there will be some idiot popping along with:

'BUT HE DOESNT WANT TO HAVE SHOOT TO KILL!'

You can't use voting against terror legislation in itself against JC if on over half of these pieces of legislation TM voted the same way as JC

Yes you can, it shows that TM makes a judgment on legislation and votes for the parts that she agrees with. It shows Corbyn is against ALL anti terror legislation. What you cant tell is whether Corybn voted against them all because he supports terrorism or he is just against everything for the sake of being against everything.