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Jeremy Corbyn interview on Woman's Hour just now

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LovelyBath77 · 30/05/2017 10:28

Very embarrassing, lost the figures for free childcare. Not giving me much faith to be honest! Are you listening?

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Sedona123 · 31/05/2017 01:11

DeeDee Labour's manifesto is not costed at all. Just take the cost of the 10,000 extra police for example. They worked out the cost for that by taking the average police salary and multiplying it by 10,000 (and then couldn't even do their sums correctly!) No mention of the cost of training the extra police, or even providing uniforms for them? Maybe a few thousand extra police cars needed? The cost is obviously going to be way more than than just the cost of the extra salaries.

Charmageddon · 31/05/2017 01:12

If the 'sustained & vicious campaign of personal attacks' were unfounded, that would be an entirely different matter.

IRA supporter ✔️

Hezbollah supporter ✔️

Hamas supporter ✔️

Known fraternisations with all the above ✔️

Anti-semitism ignorer ✔️

Lost the support of most of the PLP ✔️

Didn't properly support his female PLP colleagues or deal robustly with their complaints ✔️

Described as incompetent & chaotic by numerous former colleagues & staff ✔️

Intransigent ✔️

Tetchy when under pressure ✔️

Lacks mental agility✔️

Has appropriated other people's work as his own (wrt NI peace process) ✔️

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 31/05/2017 01:19

China? You are citing China as an example of socialism being a success?

scaryclown · 31/05/2017 01:23

Most of those personality negatives at the end are surprisingly similar to what my boss said about me when I was tripling the targets he gave me, and he wanted to make people think i was doing badly because my competence was revealing his incompetence.

Weak people who feel that if they hang around enough they will get power ALWAYS undermine their serious competition (these are politicians remember) and the more they are threatened by things like productivity, and action, the more they will use words like 'chaotic' the more someone is unwavering and difficult to manipulate, the more they will call them 'intransigent'

You can hardly complain that he is not a leader and strong and stable and then say 'ooooh but he sticks to his views and principles over time, and some people find him difficult to manipulate when he disagrees with them'

Weirdos

elkiedee · 31/05/2017 01:24

I haven't heard the whole interview, just a clip in which Emma Barnett interrupted any attempt to respond by barking another question. I've heard her on Woman's Hour, a programme I generally find interesting, before, and she hasn't normally come across like that. I think it's very disappointing, and doing listeners a disservice.

I'm a Labour Party activist and I voted for Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party twice, and would do so again. But if all that wasn't the case, and even as it is, as a parent, and a primary school parent governor, I'd like to know what the policy is, and be able to compare it with other party policies.

The Tory policy is for 30 hours to depend on how many hours are worked and on income. I went to a briefing for governors in my area which included a bit on 30 hours, current government policy but not yet introduced, I don't think. It is underfunded for most settings, and another governor was shaking her head and saying that on those rates and for other reasons, it wouldn't work. Then if circumstances change, that has to be monitored and checked and reported. What happens to parents who are on zero hours contracts or temping? It will cause them, kids and childcare providers a lot of uncertainty and stress, and require a lot of admin for childcare providers and for any government agency or private contractor running the system. There will probably be little help from local authorities as they will have no role in education, even early years, under the Toiries' vision.

30 hours or at least 3 days will make part time work more doable, but also mean someone who needs 50 hours over 5 days can just pay for, say, 20 hours over 2 days. I say this as someone for whom 15 free hours at the school nursery saved no childcare money at all, as it was just mornings and 5.5 hours in the afternoon cost the same as a full day (and this is perfectably understandable as the childminder can't just fill that space from say 9.15 to 11.45!) A local children's centre nursery offered a reduction some years ago from £35 to £30 a day for 3 and 4 year olds.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 31/05/2017 01:28

Oh and re your other socialist utopias from wiki
In Finland, public medical services at clinics and hospitals are run by the municipalities (local government) and are funded 76% by taxation, 20% by patients through access charges, and 4% by others

elkiedee · 31/05/2017 01:41

I'm voting for my local Labour candidate, MP for 17 years and probably will be again, because I'd love to see a Labour government led by Jeremy Corbyn and his Shadow Cabinet.

Also because the alternative is a Tory government who want to slash school budgets all over the country while they throw money into grammar schools and stupid vanity projects like free schools, and at companies run by Tory donors like the Harris Academy chain. I don't expect to change the minds of the gloating Tories on this thread.

caroldecker · 31/05/2017 02:01

deeedeee
China's recent growth is entirely capitalist driven and have a GDP per head of c$8,000
New Zealand has a top tax rate of 33%, second lowest in the OECD bar Mexico
Canada has a capitalist economy very closely linked to the US
What about; USSR, eastern bloc, Venezuala, most of Latin America, Africa, Cuba etc

deeedeee · 31/05/2017 08:32

I said "examples of countries with successful socialist policies.... differing extents of success" not socialist utopias! It's not black and white, and neither is Labour's manifesto. It's not ripping it up and starting again, it's making reasonable changes to the political ideology that runs this country, and will still be largely centrist, but with a lean to f populist social democratic policies. Those that say that Labour are suggesting communism are either deliberately misleading or informed by those who deliberately mislead.

Crackednips · 31/05/2017 08:46

ClareMole The links are not "spurious" at all. They are clear and well documented. He denied these links also, which are outright lies.

The question people will be asking is: do we trust the security of the nation to a man who frequently shared platforms with Hamas and the IRA ?

Crackednips · 31/05/2017 08:47

Which is an outright lie, I should have said...

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 31/05/2017 08:51

China has one of the worst human rights records in the world.

It is estimated between 36 to 45 million people died of starvation due to famine created by Communist policies.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/01/china-great-famine-book-tombstone

And Google female infanticide in China

Crackednips · 31/05/2017 08:57

They also lead the world for the highest number of state executions.

Crackednips · 31/05/2017 08:58

USSR caroldecker? ?

purits · 31/05/2017 09:02

The interview was a car crash but the thing that astonished me the most was that he was third billing on the programme. He should have been the first item on the programme.
As it was, the interview ended with (to paraphrase) "we're finally getting to some answers now but we have to cut off or else we will crash into the drama serial and that's more important than you, JC.
After the Dianne Abbott fiasco, he should have been better prepared for the costing question. And as a wannabe world leader he should have insisted on headline billing.
It was amateur.

goldaspickledfruit · 31/05/2017 09:09

May's landslide is looking as weak and wobbly as she is. Grin

waitforitfdear · 31/05/2017 09:13

China a success? Seriously their human rights record is appalling.

Emma is a fantastic interviewer and Corbyn was toe curlingly awful. He's taking maths lessons from Dianne

Crackednips · 31/05/2017 09:58

I agree purits Fact is: he's just not up to the job and that entire front bench of his wouldn't have even been admitted to my secondary school. The thickest set of politicians I've seen in my life.

LovelyBath77 · 31/05/2017 10:05

Just been reading about the horrible antisemetic abuse Emma Burnett got online after this interview/ Sad

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JanetBrown2015 · 31/05/2017 10:06

I hope everyone does get out there and vote however. Whatever you support do vote. I would really like a very big turnover and a Tory majority.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 31/05/2017 10:18

Just been reading about the horrible antisemetic abuse Emma Burnett got online after this interview

It has been awful.

What is also awful is under an itv article on DM about Corbyn saying it's wrong they are continuing to do it.

goldaspickledfruit · 31/05/2017 10:19

I would really like a very big turnover
Looking like you'll get a very big tory turnover, Janet.Grin

Hoping that all the lovely 18-24 year olds get out to vote and get weak and wobbly May out Smile

purits · 31/05/2017 10:22

All 18-24 year olds are lovely?
Or only lovely ones should vote?
Confused

Jupitar · 31/05/2017 10:28

No mention of the cost of training the extra police, or even providing uniforms for them?

What about the 20,000 trained police officers who got laid off in the past 2 years, I'm sure 10,000 could be persuaded to rejoin, they might even still fit into their uniforms

Jupitar · 31/05/2017 10:32

Just been reading about the horrible antisemetic abuse Emma Burnett got online after this interview

Fair play to Corbyn though for standing up against this abuse of journalists, he doesn't stand for any personal attacks at all, and when they're aimed at him it seems like it's water off a ducks back.

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