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Jeremy Corbyn interview on Woman's Hour just now

192 replies

LovelyBath77 · 30/05/2017 10:28

Very embarrassing, lost the figures for free childcare. Not giving me much faith to be honest! Are you listening?

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pottered · 30/05/2017 11:52

I wonder what the people living in ISIS affected areas think about us trying to negotiate a solution where they rule with their enslaved minorities?

As I said, we'll not agree, if you look at their ideology any treaty signed with a corrupt western power wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on. The only way to end this evil is to beat them militarily so they are in charge of nothing and can enslave no-one.

I don't see the situation with the IRA as directly comparable for many reasons, and let's remember, the IRA peace solution came after many, many years of armed struggle and people dying.

ssd · 30/05/2017 11:53

I didn't say he did?

jamrock · 30/05/2017 11:56

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JanetBrown2015 · 30/05/2017 12:00

I support JC's policies on non intervention overseas and indeed the British Parliament voted not to intervene directly in Syria - plenty of us support that stance and talking to everyone is a good way to ensure space so despite being a Tory I have still never understood the criticism of Corbyn over these issues. That said for reasons of the economy and personal freedom and dislike of socialism and wanting a female leader I will definitely be voting Tory.

NoLotteryWinYet · 30/05/2017 12:06

The British parliament did vote for a bombing campaign. Not directly intervening is different from believing a negotiated solution can be reached and will hold.

leccybill · 30/05/2017 12:07

I don't think Theresa May enhances her role in any way by being female.

bibbitybobbityyhat · 30/05/2017 12:11

I'm very confused. I didn't think the 30 hours free childcare was a labour policy?

makeourfuture · 30/05/2017 12:11

You think we can negotiate a solution with them?

First and foremost we must not help create these groups.

Areyoulocal · 30/05/2017 12:17

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NoLotteryWinYet · 30/05/2017 12:18

i agree make, but that ship has sailed, sadly. The roots of this go all the way back to the post WW1 carve up of the middle east.

waitforitfdear · 30/05/2017 12:18

It was toe curling and Emma is an incredibly good interviewer why on earth paxman is still lauded is beyond me he's just a bully and has no charm.

Emma is amazing

waitforitfdear · 30/05/2017 12:19

Oh and he was as bad at maths as poor old Dianne. God help the economy if that shower get in

NoLotteryWinYet · 30/05/2017 12:20

anyone else thinking that nursery owners must be looking at the min wage policy, and the 30 free hours they get, what, £3ph for and thinking they're going to go bust if Corbyn gets in?

I'm worrying I'm going to be faced with my childcare across 2 DCs going up £300-400 pm, income taxes going up £200 pm, council tax going up by a certain amount - not sure what that would be yet, and that's just the start.

If interest rates on our mortgage start to rise we'll quickly be in real trouble. And we're rich feckers according to JC.

JanetBrown2015 · 30/05/2017 12:23

bibbty - 3 hours ago Labour policy on the free childcare (from Independent). It says all children and then it only starts with 2 year olds¬! We get 6 weeks off at full pay and many of us me included have to go back to full time work with TWO full years to pay childcare so all this talk of universal childcare BUT it only starts with 2 year olds leaves loads of children out of the picture.

Free 50 hours a week childcare including for parents on shifts from age 6 weeks to full time school age with before and after school clubs provided free would be much more like it and more like places abroad.
We always seem even with Labour in the UK to get the very high taxes of plaecs abroad but none of the benefits they get and just a massive big state that wastes money hand over fist. Voting Tory is the only solution.

"Labour has said that more than a million families will benefit its pledge to overhaul “patchy” childcare provision as it sought focus on its manifesto plans to roll out free care to all two to four-year-olds.

Following the live TV grilling of Monday of the two main party leaders, Jeremy Corbyn will say a Labour government would be committed to ensuring every child was given a good start in life.

The Labour leader has put the creation of a “national education service” at the heart of his party's election campaign, which would extend 30 hours of free childcare each week to all children before they start school, regardless of family circumstances.

The policy would benefit more than 1.3 million children as complex rules mean only 40% of two-year-olds qualify while many working parents with three and four-year-old children are missing out, according to Labour."

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 30/05/2017 12:28

I thought it was all a bit unnecessarily unpleasant. Could you (to draw a parallel) recall every detail of the dates and figures from your personal spending without looking it up? I don't think I could and yet I manage to stay solvent.

He did offer to look up the figures and I think he was a bit shocked she was being so combative.

It wasn't great listening and if anything it has made me more resolved to vote Labour. At least he didn't do what May did and duck the question or just mindlessly repeat a sound bite.

Also the Labour Party have costed their pledges. To quote something I read on Twitter "the only figures in the Tory manifesto are page numbers".

I hope all the WH grillings are just as vicious for parity although Caroline Lucas has already been on I think and didn't get the same hectoring... or even the same core questions.

Crabcanon · 30/05/2017 12:29

Oh and he was as bad at maths as poor old Dianne. God help the economy if that shower get in

I was so irritated listening to him then. He KNOWS that people rounded on Labour when Diane Abbott was floundering about for figures a few weeks back, so why the heck did he do a repeat performance. In the end it was the BBC who managed to find the figures before him. It doesn't give me any faith in how Labour would manage to implement their manifesto.

From what I understood (and I'm not very good at understanding politicians) Labour will put an initial lump sum into funding 30 hours childcare and then once they have their feet firmly under the table, work out how to find the money to keep it going. How much can they realistically raise Corporation tax as it seems to be having to fund an awful lot?

Corbyn sounded pissed off, tired and uninterested throughout. I desperately want to vote Labour but I just don't feel I can. I live in a HA flat that was due to be demolished and the estate rebuilt by 2009 as they were old and substandard. The grant to carry out this work was to be funded by the then Labour Government who had offered grants to HAs. Only when Labour left power along with their note saying there was no money, the rebuilding had to be abandoned. They seem to have form for funding their policies with phantom
money.

He was left with no wriggle room whatsoever this morning and for me, did not rise to the challenge.

helpimitchy · 30/05/2017 12:31

It was an embarrassment. He's clearly not fit to run the country. I'm not a Tory voter by any means, but I won't be voting Labour. They're a complete disaster.

I actually felt a bit sorry for him 😬

andintothefire · 30/05/2017 12:34

If I gave a presentation at work and was as unprepared as Corbyn, Abbott and Rayner have been, I would quite rightly be lambasted by the people asking me questions and probably never used by the client again. Having a grasp on figures is an absolutely key part of launching policies and a manifesto. It is absolutely shocking that they have consistently failed to grasp this.

It is so disappointing after a reasonable performance by Corbyn yesterday (and a worse one by May). But again it just reinforces my views that the current Labour front bench would not have a clue how to budget, and seem more concerned with picking policies that sound good rather than any proper analysis of what the impact might be. It seems complete nonsense to me to suggest that all of this great universal giveaway of childcare, university education, pensions etc will be funded solely by taxing businesses and people earning over 80k.

I'm very sad and disappointed at their incompetence. And I miss having a strong, clever and competent Labour front bench.

GladAllOver · 30/05/2017 12:34

While I'm at it, here's a piece about how Brexit is going to cost us all £1k a year in import tariffs. Enjoy.
That guy is talking rubbish. Import tariffs are charged in the UK by the UK government, so they stay in the UK. They won't go to the EU.
And I speak as a Remainer.

andintothefire · 30/05/2017 12:37

PS in my work I actually do have to have a grasp on complicated and varied figures like these on a daily basis. I normally know them off the top of my head because I have spent time properly preparing - but at the very least I would know where to find them immediately in my notes. People at the top of their profession should not be this incompetent.

NoLotteryWinYet · 30/05/2017 12:39

it's not like I think the tories are super confident, but labour are trying to do many more things, so the potential that they get many of them terribly wrong is far higher.

There's a case for saying they are trying to make too many changes too fast even if you leave aside questions of competence, research, funding.

If I was on an IT project that involved as many unprecedented changes as labour want to make I'd feel the outcome was likely to be very poor.

LovelyBath77 · 30/05/2017 12:39

Especially when he seemed to have gone on there to talk about it and win over us Woman's Hour voters..

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Crabcanon · 30/05/2017 12:47

Did anyone look at the MN webchat this morning? Another embarrassment. Late arriving, vaguely answered a few soft, cuddly questions from seemingly Labour supporters and then had to run off to catch his train. Total waste of time and there were so many excellent questions that had been asked of him.

I want to vote Labour but I just can't after such incompetence and lack of conviction.

LovelyBath77 · 30/05/2017 12:49

Transcript from the Radio 4 is anyone is interested here. It is being described as a car crash, it's not just me!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-2017-40091454/jeremy-corbyn-stumbles-over-childcare-figures-on-woman-s-hour

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MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 30/05/2017 12:51

I don't think anybody is saying it wasn't a car crash.