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How are you planning to vote if you earn over £80,000

403 replies

howtovote · 28/05/2017 19:12

Just wondering the above really.
I can't stand the conservatives and always assumed I would vote Labour in this election, however with the tax increase over £80k I feel I'd be shooting myself in the foot a bit.
What do others think?

OP posts:
AntiHop · 28/05/2017 20:15

I work very hard and a lot of hours in a stressful job.

I HATE it when people say this. I work fucking hard in a very stressful job with long hours but I will never earn anything like that.

Do you think that anyone who isn't a high earner doesn't work hard? Paramedics? Nurses? Teachers? Social workers? Most doctors? They also all with hard with long hours in stressful jobs.

imightneedsocks · 28/05/2017 20:15

Lib Dem

foodtime · 28/05/2017 20:15

Conservative.

She's not ideal, but absolutely right for now.

Can I ask why? Genuinely unsure how anyone could think that?

howtovote · 28/05/2017 20:15

Of course I'm not suggesting those earning less have an easy job.
I merely made a statement that mine is hard, that's all.

OP posts:
HaudYerWheeshtBawbag · 28/05/2017 20:22

OP don't worry about it, same old usual shite on here, god forbid if you say I work hard... it's obviously you saying that you work harder than anyone else Hmm and that everyone who does not earn anything near as much does not work hard.

It's fucking pathetic really, I mean next time you post you have to include all scenarios, but not your own Shock how dare you post about your own circumstances and not include all and sundry.

I'd hide the thread, people are just pathetic at times.

needastrongone · 28/05/2017 20:24

We are high earners with our own business.

Personally, happy to pay more tax. However, Labour plans to raise corp tax to 26%, just as we really need businesses to feel confident and capable of investment duration Brexit means I can't vote for them.

And I can't imagine JC sitting round a G7 leaders meetings, I just can't.

And Abbott as Home Sec, just NO.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 28/05/2017 20:25

haud

So you would start a thread, get unhappy with some replies and hide it?

I think how is made of sterner stuff than that

SouthPole · 28/05/2017 20:25

Liberal, tactical vote here.

Would be labour if it would make any difference!

Husband earns over £80k.

herethereandeverywhere · 28/05/2017 20:25

*"I work very hard and a lot of hours in a stressful job."

I HATE it when people say this. I work fucking hard in a very stressful job with long hours but I will never earn anything like that.

Do you think that anyone who isn't a high earner doesn't work hard? Paramedics? Nurses? Teachers? Social workers? Most doctors? They also all with hard with long hours in stressful jobs.

No, she didn't say that. She's justifying her own earnings. She did not say that people earning over £80k were the only ones who work hard in stressful jobs.

Are people earning a lot of money (over £80k) not allowed to say they work hard and get stressed? Confused

needastrongone · 28/05/2017 20:25

Sorry, auto correct at its best.

TheClacksAreDown · 28/05/2017 20:27

I don't know. I'm a centerist remainer. What used to be called Blairites before it became a dirty word.

I will probably vote Labour but reluctantly. Their tax policies would cost mu household a lot and I would be sort of ok with that if I thought what they were planning was achievable but it blatantly isn't. I'm also not fond of my local labour mp who is deeply uninspiring and almost openly scathing about the part of his constituency I live on.

HaudYerWheeshtBawbag · 28/05/2017 20:27

No, I would get unhappy with the pathetic people thinking all comments is a personal dig at their circumstances, the OP is clearly talking about HER circumstances not all and sundry and once you get into this downward spiral there is no constructive debate or constructive discussion.

TheInimitableMrsFanshawe · 28/05/2017 20:28

I'm with delurked and eurochick. I don't personally earn over £80k but dh does and likely to continue to increase in future (hopefully significantly at some point). Between us we pay an absolute fortune in tax, both through income tax and indirect tax like VAT. We take almost nothing in return. We are on PAYE and have absolutely no means of reducing our tax bill, except what is available to everyone such as childcare vouchers and ISAs. Believe me, we're already paying our fair share of tax.

Jeremy Corbyn hasn't got the authority to run a year 9 geography class. He is an arrogant hypocrite - holding himself out as some kind of long-suffering martyr to the British people while he clings on to his position in the face of overwhelming evidence that he hasn't even got the support within his own party to carry through his policies. How is that an effective opposition? He's the sort of person who thinks it's acceptable to make a point based on a fabrication (that train journey) and who's prepared to phone another politician's DAD because he didn't like what the politician was doing Hmm. Diane Abbot is another dreadful person who is woefully ill-equipped to hold one of the most important jobs in the country at a critical time like this.

The left keep banging on about divisive politics but at least the right respect other people's right to a different opinion and their right to vote. This week alone I've seen some rubbish in FB suggesting that all conservatives vote on the day after the election. If that's not the divisive politics of envy, I don't know what is. I'm fed of being painted as an awful person who feeds on the young of the disabled because I'm considering voting conservative.

I am torn between the conservatives and the Lib Dems. I am concerned about the implications of the social care stuff. But ultimately I agree with a pp who said that it's much better for older people with assets to pay for care than the young. And I think it's disingenuous in the extreme for the Lib Dems to claim that they can guarantee that we can stay in the single market, when it's not in their gift.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 28/05/2017 20:28

Whichever party is most likely to take the seat from the SNP so Lib Dem or Conservative. I have always voted Labour in the past but Labour have never won my constituency.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 28/05/2017 20:30

I dunno haud

Most of the posts seem to be sticking to the point

I dont earn 80k (i dont earn 3k) so unfortunately i am unable to comment Sad

Grin
LassWiTheDelicateAir · 28/05/2017 20:30

I'm a centerist remainer. What used to be called Blairites before it became a dirty word

Me too. Still am.

needastrongone · 28/05/2017 20:34

Also my local MP is Tory and is bloody fantastic within the constituency, it will be a Tory vote for me, from that POV and from our businesses best interests, where we ultimately employ a number of people and have that responsibility to consider too.

Bluntness100 · 28/05/2017 20:38

I'm sorry but asking for an extra £179 a month from someone earning TEN THOUSAND POUNDS A MONTH is far from excessive

The issue is it's on top of the five thousand pounds a month that person has to pay in tax out of their ten thousand pounds. I won't vote labour , not because of the tax rise, but because I don't think he can get the policies through and I'm sick to the back teeth of the amount of money wasted in local councils and NHS. Sort that out and spend the money correctly then ask me for more. Until then, I'm never going to vote for it.

It's the easy option to just put your hand out and ask for more. You only fuck off five percent of the people right? Everyone else is promised a pay out at their expense. It's much less easy to go in there and fix the problem, get rid of the waste, sort the procurement contracts, get rid of the wasted layers of beurocrasy,. Right now it's pouring money into a black hole and it's benefiting not the right people and it will continue to benefit the wrong people until some government fixes it,

So no, in the face of such waste, I won't be paying more.

Efferlunt · 28/05/2017 20:40

Whoever kicks the tories out - here it's Lib Dem - but if it was lab I would vote for them. I am wincing at the thought of paying 50% on some of our earnings and think we will end up paying a lot more tax.

But people vote against their own best interests all the time, plenty of conservative voters would be much better off under labour.

Tories have driven our economy of a cliff to settle an inter-party row re Brexit. I can't ever forgive that or trust them again.

cardibach · 28/05/2017 20:42

Haud Stop being envious and stop finding fault just because a person earns more than you. Envy gets you nowhere!! Why does everyone assume that thinking you work as hard as some people who earn more and thinking people who earn more should pay more tax means you are envious? I'm not envious. I just want to be respected for the work I do and for people to share the costs of running the kind of country I'd like to live in more fairly.
OP I don't earn £80k. I don't even earn half that. I still think I could afford a bit more tax to help those less well off. If your vote comes down to whether you have to pay something between £500 and £1000 per year extra out of £80k then it's a very sad indictment of your character. Look beyond (very) narrow self interest for goodness sake.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 28/05/2017 20:43

The issue is it's on top of the five thousand pounds a month that person has to pay in tax out of their ten thousand pounds.

Agree with this

I felt the original £179 quote was being a bit disingenuous but could not be arsed to work it out..although its more like 4k a month tax

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 28/05/2017 20:43

Well 4.5k...

cardibach · 28/05/2017 20:45

So those people will still be taking home twice as much as me, Rufus. I earn above the national average. It's not really going to throw them into poverty.

Sionella · 28/05/2017 20:45

Massive round of applause for Bluntness.

Aartappel · 28/05/2017 20:46

To those people saying £x is nothing to someone earning £y. That's not always how it works unfortunately. I have people making 7+ figures all-in at the office and they're some of the tightest penny-pinches I know of. There are exceptions of course, but you can't just say that tax hikes are "far from excessive" seeing as we're already paying too much IMO.

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