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AIBU?

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To message her and tell her to fucking back off

143 replies

StupidSlimyGit · 27/05/2017 23:50

I have a whole thread on the issues surrounding me and XDP but I am absolutely livid and might possibly need a grip handed to/some sense talked into me. Thread here if you want to read. Long story short he behaved disgustingly then had an affair with someone at the company we both work for when I was pregnant/had just given birth. I don't have the exact date it started.

Today he called my DD (7 months) something unusual and I asked him to repeat himself thinking I had misheard. It's fucking ridiculous and not something I would ever call a child Confused Turns out the OW, (who knows she was the OW) has decided it is cute and it is going to be my DDs new nickname. Has apparently told people at work this is DDs nickname and several have started using it. XDP had started using the name reinforcing this until I have absolutely flipped. She has previously posted on FB about meeting her "new daughter" aswell which I have put a stop to and he is not taking DD to meet this woman. I haven't allowed him to have DD on his own since I found him trying to take her to meet the bitch.

AIBU to not want her giving my DD stupid nicknames?
WIBU to message her and tell her the "new daughter" comments and stupid nicknames need to stop, and that she has overstepped the boundaries by miles and needs to fucking back away from my daughter?

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JaneEyre70 · 28/05/2017 09:56

I would be furious. I'd correct him every time he uses the name very calmly and say please don't confuse her, her name is X and she is to be called by it.

Poor you, they sound horrific.

Bluntness100 · 28/05/2017 10:00

Good god, what a scum bag that man is. He's clearly not telling her they are notnin a relationship or she wouldn't be posting the crap she is. She thinks they are in a serious relationship and I don't think she has a boyfriend. He continues to lie to you.

Just ignore, grit your teeth till September and then get away from the pair of them and allow access rights only.

KurriKurri · 28/05/2017 10:00

I'm really sorry you are going through this - I feel your anger, I've been there with X and his OW nonsense and I know how much it riles.

I found the solution was to be calm and very matter of fact about everything - I never engaged in emotional arguments, - it gives them ammunition to use against you. My children were grown up - so that wasn't a problem for me, but I found calmness and being distant but civil was the way that worked (we also had to live together), They want reaction from you.

Addressing the specific problem of the 'nickname'. I would ignore the woman - she sounds completely stupid, don;t lower yourself to contacting her - she's probably only passing through in your life anyway.

Every time you X tries to use the nickname, say calmly 'don;t call her that, it's confusing for her, she's learning her proper name'. If people at work try using the name say 'please use her proper name, we don;t use that nickname' repeat and repeat every time it happens.

i wish you luck - hope you can move out soon and get away from your arsehole X.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 28/05/2017 10:04

I'm not surprised you're angry OP but you don't have complete control here. Damage limitation is the way to go. You already have his agreement that he won't introduce your daughter to his new partner. ikillallplants post (third one down) is very effective, I think. It's pointed but absolutely acceptable.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 28/05/2017 10:06

I wouldn't be messaging her at all, she doesn't count. Go through your ex and ask him to see reason, being reasonable yourself. He may well as he did agree not to introduce. That's a starting point.

Cut OW out of the picture entirely, she just doesn't exist for you.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 28/05/2017 10:16

LostGarden, I'm wondering if you're comparing the same things here:

  1. Woman wants to introduce her children to her new partner early on:
She's told that it's too early and should wait. If a man posted the same thing he would be told the same thing. I don't see a difference there.
  1. Woman wants to prevent ex partner introducing their baby to OW:
Woman is told that it's completely understandable BUT without grounds to prevent ex partner from having access to the baby, there are no grounds to stipulate whom he can introduce the baby too whilst they're in his care.

Again, it would be the same if a man posted, saying he didn't want his ex partner introducing the baby to a new partner. Plenty of women post here saying that they would get agreement from their ex partner to do so.

In summary, the only difference I can see is that women seem eminently more reasonable and with the best interests of their child at heart. Some men are like that too (I imagine?).

rizlett · 28/05/2017 14:25

I'd also consider stopping talking to exP about anything other than your dd.

I can just imagine the excitement he's getting telling tittle tattle tales about you to her and her to you.

He's your problem op not the ow.

If it wasn't for him you wouldn't even be in this situation.

DawnOfTheMombie · 28/05/2017 14:46

Actually you do have a right to say no and court would agree with you. I know plenty who have provisions in place for meeting new DPs. A judge would take a VERY dim view of a man wanting to introduce his BABY to a woman who's still in a relationship with another man Hmm

StupidSlimyGit · 28/05/2017 15:23

Sorry for disappearing again. He was gone for several hours and DD is very unsettled in this heat. Thankyou for the support and advice.

I'm trying very hard not to let them see how much they are upsetting me and I am definitely trying not to rise to anything he says. Conversation on my side is at an absolute minimum, only about household stuff (making sure x bill paid and that sort of thing) and DD but while I can control how much I tell him I can't stop him talking at me. I do think you are right and a lot of what he says is said just to upset me.

She has definitely been told by people at work that he was still dating me when they were together and if they did start this while I was pregnant then she definitely knows because I was at work till 3 days before DD was born. I only have what he says as to whether or not she thinks they are in a relationship. Having met her though I do suspect she knows and the fb posts etc are done to deliberately upset me rather than being genuine posts.

He's asked me to have a word with some people at work who have been giving her a hard time because she is finding it upsetting HmmConfused I've just calmly said that they need to sort their issues out without involving me, then bought DD down to the park for some sunshine.

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PaulDacresFeministConscience · 28/05/2017 15:28

You're absolutely right not to get further involved. When he talks at you just carry on with what you are doing and without looking at him politely say "I am not interested and I don't want to know".

Keep as separate as possible and if he asks you to run interference for his GF again then say "No, I am not interested in your new relationship. It is nothing to do with me and I would prefer that you don't ask me to get involved because I have no intention of doing so. I need to be clear that I will maintain a civil relationship with you because you are DD's Father, but that does not mean that we are friends."

CherryMintVanilla · 28/05/2017 15:42

Why is it that when a woman posts on MN to say her new bf of however many months has met her children she is flamed for introducing them too soon? Anything under 18 months usually.

Yet when a woman posts that she is unhappy with her ex taking the kids to meet his new gf the poster gets told she's being unreasonable? I've seen this over and over.

Wow... You're absolutely right. I've seen it over and over as well, just never compared the two scenarios until I read your post.

WomblingThree · 28/05/2017 16:00

BlondeB83 she didn't destroy the family. He did by fucking her whilst forgetting he had a partner and baby on the way/at home.

Allthebestnamesareused · 28/05/2017 16:56

He's asked me to have a word with some people at work who have been giving her a hard time because she is finding it upsetting

Tell him if you were to have a word then she'll probably get an even harder time because what type of woman screws a pregnant's woman's OH, calls the baby her new daughter (when she has a BF herself) and thinks its ok to create a name for the baby! In fact the first time anyone at work calls the baby by the nickname - tell them baby's name is X and Y is a name invented by OW so I would really appreciate it if you never refer to her as that again!

youarenotkiddingme · 28/05/2017 17:10

I think you need to step away despite your anger because it feeds her obvious need for attention.

If they choose a nickname then as annoying as it is if her father uses it too then he has every right. Just make sure you use her correct name when addressing her to others.

kaitlinktm · 28/05/2017 19:01

He's asked me to have a word with some people at work who have been giving her a hard time because she is finding it upsetting

Shock Shock Shock Is he for real?!

Surely the answer to this would be "Good" or "Why should I care?" This can only be to wind you up - why would you intervene on her behalf of all people?

Really OP I do think if it is at all possible the best thing for you would be as PP have suggested to enquire about ending your tenancy early. You can't put up with this shit.

DoloresTheRunawayTrain · 28/05/2017 19:11

Keep your head held high for now and put your energy into persuading the landlord to let you end the tenancy early. Then the problem will resolve itself because he will be free and if she is true to form her interest in him will rapidly evaporate.
Once this happens keep your resolve and never let the slimy fucker back into your head or heart.

Fl0ellafunbags · 29/05/2017 12:22

I think you should talk to people at work. I think you should do a PowerPoint fucking presentation about the pair of scum-sucking arseholes.

contrary13 · 29/05/2017 13:47

When my ex started to see the woman who became his new wife, he would take our toddler son along on their dates. Essentially, they were playing "happy families" with him - little boy, Daddy and Mummy. Except, she's not his mum, never has been his mum, and never will be his mum (she refers to herself as "your Dad's wife") - and I say that as someone who actually has grown to like her. We're not friends... but we're civil towards one another and I'm grateful to her, mostly, for the relationship that she has built with my son - and for her understanding precisely why I was so furious when I (a) found out about the affair, (b) that my son had been used as cover, and (c) when I discovered that my ex was trying to get our son to call her "mummy".

When my son told me, upon their return every Saturday from swimming lessons/"Dad And Son Time" about "Daddy's new friend, X", the one thing I will never forgive ex for happened. He looked down at our 2 year old son and called him a liar. Daddy didn't have a new friend, X... what is he on about?!... he's lying!!! However, he saw her for another 2 and a half years - lying to me, but no longer using our son as cover, because he knew son would "out" him again - until one Saturday, he said that he'd take our son swimming. Great, I thought and duly got him ready. Ten minutes after they left, the bastard phoned me to tell me that the woman who is now married to him, had given birth to his child that morning and he was taking our son to meet "his new sister", before hanging up immediately and turning his 'phone off. Their daughter was in a SCBU at the time, and desperately ill. He took a little boy who was excited because he thought he and his Daddy were going swimming... into a babies intensive care unit instead. My son came home, but my ex and I have barely spoken since... and that was 9 years ago now.

So OP, I do completely understand your instinctive reaction - your daughter is your daughter, not this other woman's child and how dare she refer to her as such... but at the end of the day, the others who have already said this are right. Your daughter has a father. Who may, or may not have a new girlfriend. Who he may, or may not choose to introduce his daughter to. And there's nothing you can do about that, I'm afraid. What you don't want to happen is for him to put the child you share together in a situation similar to that which my ex put our son in. Because my son's earliest memory, it turns out, is his Daddy calling him a liar and me locking him (ex) out of the house... and he has a severe phobia concerning hospitals. I can't change that... but I will never forgive ex for it.

Men having affairs lie. Women having affairs lie. They don't want to be caught out, and they'll drag others into it by accusing them of being liars, shit-stirrers, jealous of your relationship with them... and so forth. Even if that "other person" dragged into it is a small, vulnerable child. They don't care, as long as they're not found out. As long as they're not discovered to be the lying lowlives that they actually are, how they make their previously loved ones feel - doesn't matter one bit.

If this relationship lasts - and there's every chance that it will, I'm afraid - then you need to lay down the line in the sand which you will not tolerate being crossed, for the sake of your daughter. Mine was my ex's new wife being called "Mummy" by my son. Not entirely because of my primal reaction to it (it hurts, being replaced in every aspect), but because of how confusing my son found it. On their wedding day, he was 5 years old, and not only was he not invited to it at all, but he asked me if I would still be his Mummy now that Daddy was marrying X. That's also something I will never forgive ex for. Our son had stewed on this for weeks, before he broke down in tears and it all came out. And then I simmered for a week until they were back from their honeymoon, and made my feelings very clear. But I did so civilly. And that's the key. Civility. Be the better person, OP. Rise above their shitty behaviour and look down your nose at them. Become excellent at weary sighs when people ask you (and they will) about the situation - you're so tired of having to explain the immature actions of your ex and his bit on the side... why don't they (the nosey people) ask them about it? It's nothing to do with you. Oh, but by the way, daughter's name is Y, not X...!

It'll hurt like hell for a while, and you'll feel like your insides are being clawed out - because you're frightened about the way in which your child is being dragged into this mess of her father's creation. But you will come through it. And you will always be your little girl's mum. No one can ever take that away from you, OP, no matter how hard/much they try to.

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Fl0ellafunbags · 29/05/2017 16:18

Jeezo contrary I don't know how you refrained from taking a shovel to his cheating face Flowers

C0untDucku1a · 29/05/2017 17:06

Omg contrary that's absolute awful. What a bastard.

haveacupoftea · 29/05/2017 17:36

ExP and OW both sound disgusting and YANBU.

Tiredemma · 29/05/2017 17:44

They both sound fucking insane.

MaisyPops · 29/05/2017 17:46

Remain dignified. They are sly piles of shite.

Absolutely let the colleagues give her a hard time. They'll be judging the shit out of both of them for carrying on like that.

Equally, the woman posting about her new daughter just sounds like a drama queen. She liked the excitement of the affair and now that's out she needs a new source of drama to convince her that she's somebody special.

Keep introducing your daughter by your daughters name and calmly correct anyone who uses this daft nickname. You could even add in a daft comment like, oh no OW and ex for some reason have decided this when they've been playing happy families. Her actual name is...

ItShouldHaveBeenJingleJess · 29/05/2017 18:11

I'm with lost. All this bollocks about having to hand over your child to someone else you don't know is just crappy OW shite. If your ex wants to spend time with your child, he should be more than capable of doing so ALONE until he finds his own place. No decent parent on here would allow a complete stranger to be so intimately involved with their child without having established some sort of a relationship, whether personal or professional, with them first. And no decent step parent would insist on forcing that relationship until all parties are ready.

Shona52 · 29/05/2017 18:12

Yrnbu. If she had a long standing relationship with your DD as in been with XDP for 10 years and been around your DD and built a friendship then she might have a leg to stand on. But as to what to do is a tough one. Going in and shouting the odds and says she can't do this that etc might just make her and XDP dig their heels in. How old is DD? Is she ok with the name? But do think your right not to have this woman included in your DD life just now