"UK home to 23,000 Jihadis"

[user666999]

This is the title from a Times article today. Bloody hell. This is a shockingly high number. I find this really scary. There really needs to be some major plan rather than just more waffle from this useless Government. I just don't see how this genie can be put back in the bottle and I think things will only get worse.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/huge-scale-of-terror-threat-revealed-uk-home-to-23-000-jihadists-3zvn58mhq

mumis

That would be awful. That's why it's important to have the community onside and not alienate them.

We need intelligence and community led intelligence and it needs to be acted on.

We don't need knee jerk reactions that just make things worse.

I'm so fed up of people spouting don't let them back in when they've no answer as to what happens next. So far on various threads I've heard they can go to hell (helpful), on their isis mates sofas and stay on Syria (which amount to the same thing)

Its not hard to understand that international law doesn't allow you to just shove your citizens to another country. Imagine an Italian serial killer comes to the UK on holiday, while he's here they discover his crimes. Right ho UK he's your problem now, we don't want him back, would that be OK?

I understand that people are angry about what happened, I'm angry too but spouting fanciful nonsense about 'not letting them back in' without thinking about what it actually means /would entail is how we end up with this whole lefty elitism thinking ukippers are thick nonsense.

What people never seem to mention is the fact that these communities are incredibly close knit.

Muslim communities are typically much closer than people from other backgrounds are used to. Many times a huge extended family live in the same house, and there are often more family members living a stone's through away. The generations interact more, whether it be through shopping in the same shops, attending the same Mosques and schools, and just being more involved in each other's lives.

It always strikes me that there's often only a couple of degrees of separation when it comes the nutters who want to kill everyone having some connection to someone in Al Qaeda or a similar twat with terrorist connections.

Which is why I find it very difficult to believe that no one ever has any idea of how radicalised these people are, and of their desire to inflict pain on the western world.

Are we seriously expected to believe that those three girls who left for Syria a couple of years ago did so only because of some people they were talking to on the internet? No, more likely they spent their whole lives growing up and hearing anti-Western sentiment from the people closest to them.

This poison runs deep in these networks, and many, many more need to come forward to tell the authorities about any concerns.

But I think we'll have this problem for years and years.

This thread is so fucked up :/

I agree op, there seems to be an awfully lot of minimising. I think it's the same in the white British community though, there's huge amounts of racism and I don't mean stuff like using old terms, I mean 'they should fuck off home' racism.

I heard a historian on the radio saying that the Muslim communities had a lot to learn from Nazi Germany. The aftermath of ww2 caused German people (not Nazi members) to have a really long hard look at themselves and ask how this could happen (supposedly) in our name and under our noses. This Historian thought this was only just now starting to happen in the Muslim communities, it largely still seems just 'don't blame us' though. I feel the white British community is now starting to move in the opposite direction sadly, after decades of becoming less racist it feels we're now becoming more racist.

No, more likely they spent their whole lives growing up and hearing anti-Western sentiment from the people closest to them

Strange. Seems the Manchester bomber grew up in a household where his parents were given asylum by the UK after fleeing Libya.

But yes, how people become radicalised is something I am sure the security services are investigating. It probably occured to them that it might help them.

fakename

Yes, we can learn a lot from history.

The poem

"First they came" seems so appropriate now.

I just don't understand why people stick up for an extremist ideology that thinks you are dirty "kuffar" and lower than shit. I respect those who respect me I don't mean all muslims BTW but go on ummah.com and read what a lot of people think about non believers it was eye opening for me.

I just don't understand why people stick up for an extremist ideology that thinks you are dirty "kuffar" and lower than shit

Who do you think is sticking up for an ideology?

MuslimsCondemn has 700 pages of worldwide organisations that condemn these attacks/offer support to victims/work with those vulnerable to 'radicalisation'...so Muslims are trying to do something to combat these vile terrorists.
If the work of these organisations was promoted maybe it would have an impact on these numbers.

Unless you're one of those people who seem to think that people who are concerned over the way some people have reacted to the bombings must be sticking up for terrorists?

Why do people start fear mongering about a new holocaust what utter bollocks there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world with many majority countries there were 16 million Jews worldwide at the time of the holocaust with no majority population countries.

Why do people start fear mongering about a new holocaust what utter bollocks

The holocaust didn't start straightaway. The right climate had to be set in place. Get the media on side. Propaganda. Slowly, slowly.

Fascism 101. As long as your human rights aren't affected, you can turn a blind eye.

Until you get on the list. Then it's too late.

yellowox As you say, it's not all Muslims...just a group of nutters! Those on Ummah.Com hold extremist views, hiding behind a screen and spouting vitriolic nonsense and justifying it by things like ' all the deaths in Syria'!

Would I believe the KKK have unbiased opinions? Are the BNP speaking for the whole of Britain? No!

It's not racism ffs that's where people get it wrong muslims come in every shade from xijiang in China to white people in europe. I don't dislike muslims I dislike the extreme elements of religion if that's racism then I guess we are back to having blasphemy laws.

yellowox

I'll ask again: Who is sticking up for terrorism on this thread?

I just don't understand why people stick up for an extremist ideology that thinks you are dirty "kuffar" and lower than shit.

Many of us are sticking up for Western democracy as supported by the rule of law. That means no arbitrary detention and keeping in place other freedoms which some people have now decided are dispensable or should only be available to certain people based on racial/ethnic/religious lines.

It's basic stuff. You give rights to citizens you don't like so you can be sure that you will be protected too.

userwhateverthehellnumber did the fact that numerous people within the bombers community reported him, completely pass you by?

And yellowox your ignorance on the subject is astounding. I've lived in a Muslim country in the Middle East. You have no clue. None at all.

All this nonsense about oh pc shutting us down. Bullshit. If you're going to spout fascist views expect to be challenged.

Yes let's bring back intolerance and being non PC.

Let's freely be racist.

At this point people like you can continue living in denial. We are talking about one single person in Manchester. Can you imagine if a group of 10 people, in 10 different cities all simultaneously commited similar acts. The country would be stretched beyond breaking point. Let alone what 100 people could do. And there are 23,000 of these people here, at the moment. And we continue allowing in large amounts of people from the Muslim world still, so the number is going up all the time.

At some point people will have to choose between being PC and survival. Sadly a few diehards like yourself will probably rather die than be thought of as "intolerant".

And I do think there's totally a conversation to be had about what is going wrong that some young men living in the West with those particular cultural backgrounds get sucked into extremism. It's just that it's an impossible conversation to have when people just want to shout about "sending them all back" and then whinge that it's pc fine mad if you object.