To tell you all that the Manchester Evening News are crowdfunding for the victims and families *title edited by MNHQ*

[Sionella]

Link here in case anyone wants to donate:

www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/westandtogethermanchester

fuck sake
thanks for posting op anyway

I don't think anyone is objecting to fundraising for deceased children.

However, I don't think there's any harm in enquiringly how the money is going to be distributed, if you plan to,donate. Does everyone get a nominal amount? Do people with more serious injuries get more than those with minor injuries. Do,the families have to put in a claim for an amount? Who gets to decide?

Beep - why don't you contact the MEN and ask ?
They have always done charity stuff, so they will be organised for it.

Yay Sionella HQ have changed the title

Surely the MEN could have opened an account purely for this to save justgiving taking their, totally un-earned, cut?

Not difficult.

I'd happily donate either direct to the people who have had their lives devastated, or to a direct account without some rip-off merchants being involved.

I agree that the fee sucks, although I do see they would be creating a slippery slope if they waived some fees and not others. Still though.

But overall I think that the donations minus the fee are still going to be higher than the donations if the page didn't exist, IYSWIM?

I believe they will have trustees to deal with the cash who will work out how to spend it fairly.

thanks for sharing the link. Donated and shared.

Even IF by some small chance the paper did keep some of the money for admin charges or whatever - I'm ok with that. These families are going to be needing a lot of help and this is a good way to get it to them rather than do NOTHING.

TBF, I read the original thread title and thought the post was going to be about dodgy fundraising men.

Where does the money go ??

Well 20 + people suddenly have to find money to pay for funerals and many more have been left with life changing injuries. All of which costs money.

I can't donate right now but I definitely will on Friday when I'm able.

And I'm in the dark depths of Cumbria.......even I've heard of the MEN......surely the doubters could have applied Google before leaping on a thread accusing people of scamming

Just Giving is a business.
How could they waive their fee for this campaign?
They almost exclusively deal with deserving causes.
They wouldn't be able to exist if the waived their fee for everyone.
That doesn't make any sense at all.

After every single major incident the internet is full of people desperate to say something 'different'.

For every one person raising money, posting platitudes, sharing inaccurate information, there is another asking where the money is, why aren't people sad about something that has happened in another part of the world or berating others for something .

Fucks sake if you don't want to give, don't.
Don't make yourself a hero for donating elsewhere or being smart enough to be cynical.

Wonder how many of the cynics would express their views to the bereaved families. Everything is easier from behind a keyboard.

Fortunately most people want to help - as the rising total and comments demonstrate so eloquently.

Look, people want to know that it's legit, that the fundraising money will be going to the families [in a reasonable time period without a large percentage being taken out], and that the MEN was kosher - they are pretty fair questions to ask when donating money.

Perhaps more people should start asking questions before donating to charity and we'd see a lot less waste in the charity sector [not that all charities are wasteful of their resources].

This whole thing is just horrendous, i cannot begin to imagine what these poor families are going through.

BUT, and I know I will be slated, i just do not get the appeals for money at this time. Why? If my child/partner/parent had been kiled in tragic circumstances, a newspaper appeal which resulted in me being given, for example, £1000, would just feel wrong. Why should i benefit from my loved ones death?

I understand that extra expense will be involved for these poor families, but no more so than for anyone close to you dying under 'normal' circumstances.

I am sorry, i know people just want to do something, but personally, i would rather donate to a youth project which focussed on inclusivity (for example).

I really hope this does not upset anyone, i just do not understand why anyone thinks the gift of money would help - rather like the leaving of masses of flowers and messages of sorrow for people one has never met.

@TheFirstMrsDV

Nothing wrong with making a suggestion of another way to donate for people who don't want to lose money for the justgiving fee. There are plenty of ways to donate without paying a fee to anyone.

Tooold - with respect, I think you might be showing privilege there.

How are parents with a seriously disabled child supposed to cope, for example? Work and then not see their child in hospital all day? Or not work and pay the bills how, exactly?

great tooold, no need for you to comment then, just dont donate and move along

Bump

thedude
Are there?
What ways are the to donate to the families without paying any fees?
Can you list them?

BUT, and I know I will be slated, i just do not get the appeals for money at this time. Why? If my child/partner/parent had been kiled in tragic circumstances, a newspaper appeal which resulted in me being given, for example, £1000, would just feel wrong. Why should i benefit from my loved ones death?

So you think a grand is 'benefiting' from the death of your child?
Do you know that a burial plot for a child costs between £600 and £2000?
That money has to be paid up front, before the funeral.

Its very noble of you to be clever enough to donate to a youth club in memory of the victims (without asking them what sort of organisation they would like donations to go to) but your donation to your choice of charity won't pay the bills.

Bank account for direct debit transfers is by far the most efficient way to avoid fees.

There's also direct donations to the charities already supporting the families - like MCH, Ronny Macdonald

I think one of things that makes this situation completely different to normal dying (as you phrased it) TooOld is the fact these families dropped their children off for a concert, a treat, and they've been blown apart - it's not just the physical effects, there are going to be serious mental health repercussions for a lot of these people too (and those families may not receive any of this money).

god people can be dicks

TheDude how does that help if people want to give money to the families

They don't have the bank account details of the families so direct debits transfer won't work.
They want to give money to the families for them to pay their bills and funerals and give them breathing space.
So how will giving money to one Ronald McDonald house achieve that?

The objection here seems to be that people are raising money to go directly to the families.
Which is bizarre.
They are the ones who are going to need it most. A token gesture to a charity that may or may not be connected to them isn't going to help is it?

Tooold do you seriously think that the people who have lost children are going to be financially better off after being handed a few thousand? They'll have funerals to pay for, will likely take an extended time off work (can't imagine most parents returning to work this year can you?). In the meantime their bills will need to be paid - no one will be benefiting from the death of a loved one

"The objection here seems to be that people are raising money to go directly to the families."

I have not objected to that. I've objected to justgiving and the feee, purely because of the fee. I don't like 7% of my donations being taken for an admin fee. It's a personal thing, I donated directly to the children's hospital charity as they will be supporting the children.