to think it's finally time England deals with its Katy Hopkins problem?

[Fliptophead]

I know she feeds off publicity and the best thing really would be to ignore her until she shrivels and dies of fame starvation so I apologise for the thread but this is really too much now isn't it?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-bombing-katie-hopkins-final-solution-muslims-arena-terror-attack-phillip-schofield-a7750656.html

If we don't have free speech, the gov. can literally turn around tomorrow and say it's hate speech to insult Theresa May's shoes

Don't be a dope. You don't have free speech, and no they can't.

What planet are you on?

Plinky, tell that to the Nazis. We didn't love them out of existence.

Europe is at war with radical Islam whether you want to admit it or not. Refusing to acknowledge the problem or being terrfied of hurting feelings is partly responsible for what happened in Manchester. It's time people woke up.

No, I'm not uneducated.
No, I'm not ignorant about Islam. Quite the opposite.
No, I'm not racist.
No, I'm not against immigration.

So, Yolo, you think anyone should be able to threaten anyone else with anything at any time? I can go round to, say, my neighbour's kids and threaten them with anything that crosses my mind, just for shits and giggles? That's cool with you? Cos that's free speech.

All those arseholes on social media sending death and rape threats to women speaking out, causing them to fear for their lives, sometimes having to move house - that's free speech. OK with you?

We don't have unfettered free speech as it is, and I'm somehow still able to say, in a public forum, that Theresa May's shoes are shit. I couldn't, however, go and say reprehensible things about people belonging to a certain race or religion and tell people to go kill them. I'm cool with that.

If we bomb them, we create more of them. Their entire narrative is that the west hates them and wants to eradicate them. It will simply radicalise more people.

It's not quite as simple as that either is it, and is giving agency to the terrorists.

Most people talk about Iraq, but if we didn't go in does the arab spring still happen? Do the various salafist movements simply commit harder to afganistan instead?

Islamic extremism has been active in the west since the 70's, and before you bring Saudi up, the only people loudly protesting that was Bin Laden, and accepted by the Saudi government.
The reason why we was in Saudi Arabia, its because Saddam was going to invade them.

Iran, Iraq and bin laden were all funded by America so we started this and we keep adding to the problem maybe we should keep our fucking noses out of the ME

Plinky, tell that to the Nazis. We didn't love them out of existence.

Another demonstration of poor education.

We fought the armed Nazis, like we are fighting ISIS and desmabtling terrorist cells.

We didn't demonise the German people and supported the reconstruction of their country after WWII. Unlike after WWI, which left them humiliated and impoverished and ultimately led to the Nazis and WWII.

See? It pays to educate yourself. :)

Iran, Iraq and bin laden were all funded by America

Not quite regarding Iran. Iran had a revolution against US influence in their country. The US funded Iraq to a point to go against Iran.

At normal times most regions are unstable. The last decades have been fairly quiet in Europe, and even so we've seen wars in the East.
But Western influence in the Middle East has been disastrous.

Lweji, they said you can't fight hate with hate. Nazism was an idegology. It wasn't a group of random people with weapons.

The irony of you talking about education is comical. Educate yourself on the history of Islam or don't bother replying.

ideology*

Why can't you edit posts?

I really like how we are discussing the censorship of KH

When the bomber himself was most likely radicalised in a community where all sorts of stuff was normalised.

True.

But I'm sure that's a discussion and a process that goes on in that community.
I can only really deal with what happens with my community.
I'd rather not have hate people like KH.
I welcome Muslims who don't stand for terrorism. We can join forces, not accuse eachother.

Janet, there's a huge and legal difference between speech that causes offence, speech that threatens and causes distress and alarm, and speech that incites and/or stirs up racial or religious hatred. We're talking about the latter here

We are also talking about the latter going on in small pockets of Muslim communities. Are we saying it's ok to turn a blind eye to one (for fear of offending) but not the other?

Ayyylmao- what's your plan?

Lweji, they said you can't fight hate with hate. Nazism was an idegology. It wasn't a group of random people with weapons.

Yet it was embraced by many in Germany. But only those who committed crimes were punished, even if others were somewhat involved.

Before armed attacks there's hate. That's where we fight hate with love. At the community level. So that communities don't breed hate.

Keeping in mind that some people will always hate and will always want to harm others. ISIS just gives them an excuse to act.

And I was educating you about Germany not Islam. Wasn't that clear?

I for one am glad this thread is here. If it educates just one more person into knowing what the final solution means, that's a good thing.
Surely there's no fucking WAY that KT didn't know what it meant.
Pure, hate filled spouting and she went far too far.

No, we didn't love the Nazis out of existence, but neither is anyone suggesting we go and hug the jihadis into submission.

I've said all along that it's a massively complex situation with a long history and therefore there are no easy, simple answers to it (such as 'let's bomb them all' or 'send them all home') for a huge variety of reasons. I think we are taking reasonable measures to protect ourselves, but you can't completely eradicate crime or terrorism. They always have and always will exist.

Still waiting for your solution, ayyylmao.

No, time4chocolate, I don't think anyone's said that.

"We are also talking about the latter going on in small pockets of Muslim communities. Are we saying it's ok to turn a blind eye to one (for fear of offending) but not the other?"

Just out of interest, which bits of this thread led you to believe that anyone on this thread has said, or even thought that?

Bertrand, I don't have a plan as we are sadly at the mercy of our spineless government. If I had total power, I would:

Admit that there is a serious problem with violence and extremism within Islam which has existed since its inception.

Ban migration from all Islamic countries until we have the situation under control.

Deport anyone preaching hate or extremism. If they were born in the UK, lengthy prison sentences in solitary confinement with intense rehabilitation programs. It would be worth it to build special facilities at this point. I don't think people fully realise how big of an issue it is. The media refuse to report on it properly.

Stop letting OBVIOUSLY radicalised people back in after fighting for ISIS. The fact that this even happens shows how seriously damaged our government is.

Stop letting Saudi Arabia fund mosques in Britiain.

Stop letting Muslims take over entire areas. It's impossible for them to integrate, even if they want to.

There are a number of things that could be done.

Islam is an ancient Middle Eastern ideology which we imported to Europe for some bizzare reason.

Japan, China, South Korea and Hungary have pretty much completely rejected Islam and what do you know, they have zero issues with terror. Compare those countries to France, Sweden, Germany and England. It's almost as if there is a connection between a large Muslim population and terrorism and violent crime.

How does Europe benefit from Islam?

they said you can't fight hate with hate. Nazism was an idegology. It wasn't a group of random people with weapons

Except it WAS also a group of random people with weapons, wasn't it? Which turned into a very large group of people with weapons, and camps etc. It was never JUST an ideology.

Ideology is dangerous and always arms itself.

We didn';t fight the Nazis with love. We fought them with guns and bombs and 60 million Allied dead.

We didn';t fight the Nazis with love. We fought them with guns and bombs and 60 million Allied dead.

We fought the ideology with extreme hate and fought the people with extreme violence. If we didn't, where would we be today?

Where will we be if we keep ignoring this problem?

If I had total power, I would

I think I speak for us all when I said it's a good thing you don't...

Say not said.

That was a war. We are not at war, no matter how much people like you try to convince everyone we are.

Islam is an ancient Middle Eastern ideology which we imported to Europe for some bizzare reason.

What's bizarre is that sentence. And not only.

Where will we be if we keep ignoring this problem?

What problem? Islam as a whole, or terrorism?

A) terrorism is not being ignored. Nor are the groups and people that promote it and carry it.

B) Islam is not more of a problem itself than any other religion. Even the aspects from some currents that don't agree with our current mainstream culture can also be seen in other religious groups.

So, what you're saying doesn't make sense.

We are not at war, no matter how much people like you try to convince everyone we are.

We are with ISIS. But not with Islam.