to think it's finally time England deals with its Katy Hopkins problem?

[Fliptophead]

I know she feeds off publicity and the best thing really would be to ignore her until she shrivels and dies of fame starvation so I apologise for the thread but this is really too much now isn't it?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-bombing-katie-hopkins-final-solution-muslims-arena-terror-attack-phillip-schofield-a7750656.html

And I don't think she is advocating a holocaust FFS

Well, even if you are right and it was a coincidence that she used a phrase which means holocaust (something most people would seriously doubt given her history), thousands of people took it mean holocaust and agreed with her, taking to FB to post their plans to exterminate Muslims from Britain. That alone is not something we should tolerate, surely.

there is a disproportionate response to her WORDS which are ultimately just WORDS and not pieces of metal in the dead bodies of children.

How do you think the bomber was convinced to carry out his attack? Didn't it start with words? If we knew that a Muslim preacher was inciting violence would we shrug it off as words or would we be incensed and want it stopped and for him to be punished? Words do have consequences, the very consequences we are, at present, so shocked and shaken by and desperate to prevent.

there is a disproportionate response to her WORDS which are ultimately just WORDS and not pieces of metal in the dead bodies of children.

I missed this earlier.

Oh my fucking god how on earth do you think horrific atrocities of the past were committed? You think people just wake up one day and decide off their own back to do something terrible? Everything, everything starts with 'just words'.

Kh deleted her tweet once she understood the association of her words, I'm pretty sure even KH didn't want another holocaust (and she also wouldn't change her words if she actually meant it)

I understand that KH's history isn't one of compassion so it creates hurt but come on, she's not the problem here

This smacks of "I'm all for freedom of speech unless the views being expressed don't agree with mine"

So where do you lay the blame op for this latest murderous bombing?

Anti Islamic bile offends me but so does all the shite I've seen today about the whole thing being a false flag intended to. Post Tory votes
I think whatever your political leanings this should disgust you (esp less than 24 hours after the event)
I have never actually cried over an atrocity reported but did today as I have an 8 year old Ariana grande fan and I cannot comprehend who'd do such a thing !!
We should get less het up about nonentities like KH and work out how to channel our collective fever to make a difference

Kokusai
I think most people are more focused on the atrocities that happened yesterday.

Katie Hopkins loves and relishes every terror attack. She feeds off hate and negativity. She wouldn't be able to survive in a society where the general atmosphere is positive.
She finds enough people who like what she is saying because they are equally hate-filled morons. She also finds enough idiots who say that there's a grain of truth in what she is saying. No, it's not because she is taking it from a completely different angle to elicit hate and discord.

Kh deleted her tweet once she understood the association of her words

No, she deleted it once the tide of public opinion turned against her.

@surferjet
I think most people are more focused on the atrocities that happened yesterday.

Please explain to me quite how spouting harmful rhetoric is going to 1) bring back the poor people killed yesterday or 2) prevent something similar happening again?

Islam is now not just a religion but a political force pushing an agenda and infiltrating Europe and the West with their extreme ideology. All backed by the Saudis fearing what will happen to them when their oil runs out.

Western governments denies this is happening and after every attack advises its citizens to remain calm and carry on. So we accept what is happening to our children being groomed into prostitution, blasted to pieces at a pop concert, put up with repeated terrorist acts and feel powerless to do anything about them just waiting for the next one and hope none of our friends or families arse involved.

We need to feel angry that our way of live is under threat we need to use the political system to express this anger and vote for politicians who will stop this infiltration of Islamic political ideology in our country. Read Douglas Murray to stop ourselves sleep walking into living in an Islamic state

The Saudis. Didn't Trump just sell them £100 billion of arms. How much do we sell?

So who do we vote for? Who isn't going to be best pals with the Saudis?
Because it's not "Islam" per se is it? It's their particular brand that is being exported.

Agree she is not the problem here, she is one person who has said something very inappropriate at a time when we are all angry. No-one is going to take her on her word and no one is going to rise up and do as she says based on her opinion (and she is allowed to have an opinion however unpleasant)

The problem here is a substantial group of disenfranchised Muslim young men are being spoken too in a similar way and actually are doing something about it. However, that makes for a discussion that most people would rather shy away from.

She is an easy/soft option for denigration.

She is not the problem, but she's part of it.
And she definitely isn't part of the solution.

When I heard what she said I assumed it was about Isis not all muslims

get rid of her and she will be replaced by someone else we cant shut down speech we don't agree with but why do so many read and listen to her to then go on about how terrible she is why play into her game

if she is going to be charged let the police deal with it and stop giving her attention she craves

I have seen quite a few who are outraged by her comments once again and feel quite uncomfortable that so much anger and hatred is directed at her yesterday of all days when 22 people have just been murdered many are young children and many many lives have been changed forever

The problem is also that this is not a one off for her. She keeps saying outrageous stuff like this and getting worse. She needs more and more to draw attention to herself.
She's not angry. She's just cashing in.

& what time4chocolate said.

Douglas Murray is excellent on this - sleepwalking into losing our hard fought values and cultures.

Yet we want to talk about KH. It couldn't be clearer that people on here are too frightened to address some fundamental ideology differences between Islam and the west.

I will use the Halal meat example (again) just because it is simple.

My childhood was one where I remember 'animal rights activists' campaigning and changing our laws around how we treat animals, all in the name of progression and compassion, we changed things. The way societies treat animals is a direct correlation to their level of development morally, we are doing pretty well.

Yet in 2009 we made an amendment to the slaughter of animals act to say that our humane way of killing animals can now be changed with a 'religious exclusion' act. Halal methods of slaughter where animals are not stunned are now legal.

The consequence of this is not that only halal butchers sell halal meat and everywhere else in non-halal, it's quite the opposite. Many supermarkets and chains (Nando's subway for example) use halal meat as the standard offering

We have slept walked into a total change of our values and this is just one example.

i don't believe we should slaughter our animals without stunning them and our law agreed with this...until...well, we capitulated

Try and go non-halal, you'll be surprised

I don't think all the berating of people who didn't know what The Final Solution refers to is helpful. I do know but didn't know what it meant until I was in my late twenties. The point is that KH absolutely knew what it meant.
People aren't directing their anger at KH instead of the sick fucker that did this or saying that she's worse than him. However it's ridiculous to say that it's PC gone mad to criticise someone who is casually advocating genocide. And the fact is that those sort of comments just feed right into the hands of extremists and actually make further attacks more likely.
FWIW I don't like religion very much and I particularly dislike Islam and feel uncomfortable with it. However, I know a lot of Muslims and the vast majority of them are ordinary decent people who just want to get on with their lives. DH is Northern Irish and was stabbed in a pub in London when he was 19 simply for his accent. He nearly died. Lumping all Muslims in together is no different to the way that some people used to view all Irish people as terrorists.
And to all those saying 'it's only a Tweet' - words matter. [message edited to remove offensive terms by MNHQ]
I get why people are angry. But pouring fuel on the fire is not the answer.

My understanding is that the halal meat that places like Nandos use is not considered halal by strictly observing Muslims because the only difference between it and non halal meat is that prayers have been said over it during slaughter.

"It couldn't be clearer that people on here are too frightened to address some fundamental ideology differences between Islam and the west"

And I'm not frightened to talk about anything.

Boycotthalal.com is blocked by my parental controls...what an excellent illustration of how we are allowing this ideology to infiltrate our values

I want to boycott halal because I find it inhumane to animals, couldn't give a shit if it's a religion or the psycho round the corner who wants to slit the throat of live animals without stunning it, I want to do it the way in which is least painful for the animal

It couldn't be clearer that people on here are too frightened to address some fundamental ideology differences between Islam and the west.

I can easily discuss Islam. Just not in the context of a discussion about a final solution being applied.
Two different discussions, and it's simply demagogy to criticise Islam here when the thread is about someone calling for final solutions.
It simply shouldn't be called on anyone. End of.

there is a disproportionate response to her WORDS which are ultimately just WORDS and not pieces of metal in the dead bodies of children.

Words have consequences. Words have weight. HTH. 🙄