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to think it's finally time England deals with its Katy Hopkins problem?

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Fliptophead · 23/05/2017 10:08

I know she feeds off publicity and the best thing really would be to ignore her until she shrivels and dies of fame starvation so I apologise for the thread but this is really too much now isn't it?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-bombing-katie-hopkins-final-solution-muslims-arena-terror-attack-phillip-schofield-a7750656.html

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NotISaidTheWalrus · 23/05/2017 22:43

"I really think people on here need to examine why they are defending people who explicitly express they want to kill others

The ones defending La Hopkins are. She wants to kill others.

NotISaidTheWalrus · 23/05/2017 22:44

I'm well educated and have no idea about what 'final solution' meant, it just read 'we need a solution that works' to me

Not that well educated then.

squirreltrap · 23/05/2017 23:06

So I'm not that well educated because i don't agree with you, fine.

What's your take on Islam? Considered and committed to equality? Describe its values to me, educate me

NotISaidTheWalrus · 23/05/2017 23:11

No, thats not why. You're not very well educated because you've never heard of something that is very very very well known and distinctive. It has nothing to do with opinions of any kind (the fact you're confused by that is also an indicator of a less that stellar education).

squirreltrap · 23/05/2017 23:18

Walrus, I'm sure there are many many things that I consider basic knowledge that you would not know but I do not choose to demonstrate that just so I can call you 'uneducated' because I understand the randomness of knowledge acquisition

squirreltrap · 23/05/2017 23:19

But what is your take on Islam? Describe it's values to me, educate me.

And if you say "peaceful", please do provide examples

NotISaidTheWalrus · 23/05/2017 23:19

I don't really care what you consider basic knowledge. I doubt any of them are as big or as "should know" as the fucking holocaust. Hmm

squirreltrap · 23/05/2017 23:29

I'm not debating the ins and out of Islam or my personal views on it

Why? Why not? This is part of the problem - we have been told to follow the tolerant line. Believe it or not, I am an incredibly caring and responsible person, but that doesn't mean I will put up with shit behaviour from people. Why are we so afraid to express an opinion on things that are not in line with what we consider to be acceptable? I find many things from Islam unacceptable and I don't see why me voicing that is a problem. Women, homosexuality, animals are the very basics of this as I have stated many times.

squirreltrap · 23/05/2017 23:32

You won't answer the question Walrus. You instead avoid and personally insult. I have never heard that phrase, I know about the holocaust, but so what? What is your actual point? Not all people have the same knowledge, so what? It is not beyond the realms of possibility that KH also did not know this.

I don't even agree with her sentiments entirely but this is hysteria over some semantics and deviation from the actual issues. KH is not the issue

Fruitcorner123 · 23/05/2017 23:34

Only allowing entrance to refugees that are believed to be from actual war zones, persecuted minorities or political refugee.

The bomber was British so restricting immigration wouldn't have stopped him.

Fruitcorner123 · 23/05/2017 23:39

I can't believe people on here are a calling referring to the final solution as 'semantics' it gives me a chill. Do you people really not know what she meant? She was suggesting or at least implying that millions of people should be slaughtered because of their beliefs. Disgusting.

I am horrified by the attacks last night and have been watching the news all day desperate to hear if they have found all those poor missing people. I am disgusted by what that evil man did. That doesn't mean what KH said was ok or not important. It was a vile comment full of hatred and she should be investigated.

fromthebreach · 23/05/2017 23:44

The bomber was Libyan born in England to a "conservative" Islamic family...most of whom are now back in Libya, having consumed a free education and goodness knows what else. Not exactly British.

Fruitcorner123 · 23/05/2017 23:51

He was born here and his parents were refugees from Libya.

The message I was responding to said we should only allow 'genuine' refugees but this wouldn't have prevented them or him (born here) from being here.

I know nothing about his education or that of his family I am commenting on his nationality.

Lweji · 24/05/2017 00:13

I believe that every single member of their family should be immediately deported without trial or question. These depraved minds who can carry out such atrocities need to be made to think twice in their twisted minds that if they do what they plan, than every single member of their family will be deported without question.

Whoever wrote this is an arsehole. Muslim or not.

We, nobody, should ever exert revenge or punishment on innocent people. Or we are no better than the terrorists.

Crabcanon · 24/05/2017 00:51

I care very much about what KH said today. Many of my family were victims of The Final Solution. When that phrase is applied to any racial or religious group I care very much. And amazingly I can do this at the same time as feeling anger and revulsion with the murderer in Manchester.

LotusBomb · 24/05/2017 03:00

*I'm not debating the ins and out of Islam or my personal views on it

Why? Why not? This is part of the problem*

because bandying around personal views on a religion at a time like this is purely counter productive imo. The issue here isn't just Islam. The issue extends to extremism, radicalisation, politics, etc etc. Sitting there vilifying or defending Islam either way, doesn't get to the root issues. It barely scratches the surface tbh and more often than not, just turns into a slanging match.

JungleInTheRumble · 24/05/2017 03:06

I think the UK needs to deal with its Muslim problem...I don't believe that somebody didn't have a clue what this guy was planning but nobody "snitched" as one guy who, after the fact, said he'd seen a look of hatred in the guys eyes said he was reluctant to do...

I've reported someone I know to MI5 and shortly thereafter he was in police custody and ultimately sectioned. We all have a role to play. It's time some people started playing...

LotusBomb · 24/05/2017 03:11

Also, pointing out the negatives aspects of a religion has never been enough to stop people following it in droves, which is exactly what would need to happen if you take the "we need to talk about Islam" approach. The KKK being Christian's didn't dismantle Christianity just as child abuse cases have not dismantled Catholicism.
When you talk about religion, you are talking about generation after generation after generation of belief systems, traditions, cultural practices, family practices, lifestyle routines that have been imbedded in people through centuries of teachings. You often don't see it in the west as explicitly but try traveling to somewhere in the Middle East and telling them that what they base their whole entire lives around is wrong. Whether you like it or not, whether you understand it or not, whether you agree with it or not, it just is not that simple.

user1492679224 · 24/05/2017 05:43

22 people are dead and you are concerned about Katie Hopkins. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Orlantina · 24/05/2017 06:58

It's time some people started playing

Do you know how many people have been reported by their community?
How many potential plots have been foiled?

It seems that the Muslim community is doing its best - but still feels put on the spot and under so much scrutiny when such awful events happen.

squirreltrap · 24/05/2017 07:00

When you talk about religion, you are talking about generation after generation after generation of belief systems, traditions, cultural practices, family practices, lifestyle routines that have been imbedded in people through centuries of teachings. You often don't see it in the west as explicitly but try traveling to somewhere in the Middle East and telling them that what they base their whole entire lives around is wrong. Whether you like it or not, whether you understand it or not, whether you agree with it or not, it just is not that simple.

Exactly. We are trying to align with a culture that is based on things the UK explicitly doesn't agree with (misogyny, homophobia, animal cruelty) and so far we have tried to do that by being understanding. When the reality is there is absolutely nothing wrong with us standing up for the long hard-fought values and laws we have in the UK, we published the Magna Carta in 1215 which formed the basis of our democracy and equality values (i.e. the King had to be answerable to law) and I happen to believe that our evolution has headed in the right way ever since and we are a (not perfect) free and fair society on the whole.

e.g. Germany recently enhanced their child marriage laws because children from Muslim countries were being married off. So what that that is OK in Pakistan, we have come to the conclusion over time that it is not OK for children to be married because we understand the controlling and exploiting forces around this and so should be able to enforce this on everyone who lives in our society without fear of racism accusations.

It is not simple, I agree, however clearly and rationally enforcing our values and laws despite religious beliefs is an obvious place to start to make these changes.

LotusBomb · 24/05/2017 07:02

22 people are dead and you are concerned about Katie Hopkins. You should be ashamed of yourself.

How many times is that going to be trotted out on this thread? Hmm

NotACleverName · 24/05/2017 07:03

22 people are dead and you are concerned about Katie Hopkins. You should be ashamed of yourself.

How many fucking times does it need to be said before people get it? You can be angry at the terrorist and angry at that woman for spreading her bile - shock horror - at the same time. Anger is not a finite resource.

Just because some people are clearly only capable of caring about one thing at a time does not mean we all are.

Lweji · 24/05/2017 07:04

*22 people are dead and you are concerned about Katie Hopkins. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You should.

Goady fuckers like Katie Hopkins can lead to other killings. Of Muslims. Of "brown people that look Muslim". With more terrorism because some people get angry and think that all white people are like KH.
What is the non-Muslim community doing to control these goady fuckers?

LotusBomb · 24/05/2017 07:05

We are trying to align with a culture that is based on things the UK explicitly doesn't agree with (misogyny, homophobia, animal cruelty) Who??? Who is trying to align with a culture? Further more, as I've stated, it's. It just one culture, there are many.
It's easy to pick on the go-to outrage material such as Misogyny, homophobia and animal cruelty. You don't think Islam is about for more than those three things for those that practice it?