to think it's finally time England deals with its Katy Hopkins problem?

[Fliptophead]

I know she feeds off publicity and the best thing really would be to ignore her until she shrivels and dies of fame starvation so I apologise for the thread but this is really too much now isn't it?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-bombing-katie-hopkins-final-solution-muslims-arena-terror-attack-phillip-schofield-a7750656.html

I agree eradicating religion is impossible at this point in time, but there is a trend that as countries become more educated that atheism increases. It can happen over time and yes, id like to see that happen.

Of course there are things we can do, how about prosecuting people who declare themselves IS supporters? IS has an agenda to destroy western culture by violence. So why is this ok? Someone who threatens to rape someone on twitter can now be prosecuted, what's the difference?
Religious sensitivity that's what and since I happen to think religion is bollocks, then I also think that's bollocks. Align yourself with murderers and people who commit terrorist acts then be prosecuted. It's a simple expression of the values of our society, we don't support murderers. And perhaps the protection services will actually be able to prevent these events adequately. Why do we allow people to express terrorist views which are absolutely inciting violence against people?

Loving the personal insults btw. It makes it all the more apparent that we are terrified to look at what is actually causing these situations. I won't ever support people who are homophobic, sexist and cruel to animals, and religion can't ever justify those things for me. And yes, that's whatever religion you chose but today in my city people have been murdered due to some fundamental views from Islam which is why I am talking mostly about them, if this were about paedophile Catholic priests, my view would be similar - controlling outdated patriarchal systems that will always clash with my values. And lots of people in the U.K.

Of course there are things we can do, how about prosecuting people who declare themselves IS supporters? IS has an agenda to destroy western culture by violence. So why is this ok?

Where did you get the idea that it is ok?

People who declare themselves ISIS supporters are at best put under surveillance and checked out.

Sadly, people can't be prosecuted for asking for a final solution either.

Of course there are things we can do, how about prosecuting people who declare themselves IS supporters

You do know we do that already?

Are you aware of current anti-terrorist leglisation?
The Prevent programme?

Monitioring of communications.
Laws that prevent hate speech?

What do you mean by "support" people who are cruel to animals etc?

No one here supports Isis.

Do you mean Muslims generally?

Something is not going far enough with the laws. Everyone who commits these crimes 'are known to the authorities'

Yet, we are unable to prosecute them.

You can be known to the authorities for being acquainted with a terrorist. It doesn't mean that you should then be arrested!

Being "known" to the authorities doesn't tell us anything.

So you'd jail everyone who expressed support for ISIS?
Sure, it might take many people off the streets.

What else do you think it might do?

We could detain them without trial like the US does on Guantanamo bay.

Would that help?

Right, if I could just wave my magic wand, what I'd like to happen (please don't shoot me):

1. Trying to do something about the imo clearly very real segregation in the UK and France (can't speak for other European countries)

1. Monitoring (or abolishing, I'd prefer that one) faith schools and religious courts (be they Jewish or Muslim, so Sharia courts or the Beth Din). Especially where civil rights and children are concerned. And their decisions certainly shouldn't be legally binding.

1. Only allowing entrance to refugees that are believed to be from actual war zones, persecuted minorities or political refugee. Italy and Greece obviously have had some problems with that (understandably)

(4. I'd also like to curb Saudi Arabia's influence.)

I despair sometimes. There is not going to be a "one size fits all muslims" solution. Not in this lifetime. The fact that we're "still unable to prosecute" should illustrate that point for you.

Sounds sensible Feed.

The trouble with the sharia courts issue is that we can negotiate and settle matters out of court (as is encouraged) so what's to stop people applying those rules to their dispute settlement.

I find this strange in that I'm just saying things aren't working with the laws and that's really obvious but you guys are fine with that

I really think people on here need to examine why they are defending people who explicitly express they want to kill others because they don't agree with their values and beliefs, yet attack me for apparently being awful

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I know. That's the whole issue... :( But one could adress that legal issue.

Some may just find doing so distasteful or are afraid of being called bigots (or don't give a fuck about, usualyl, obviously not always, the rights of women and children)

I've never been one to mince my words and I don't intend to now:

We Muslims need to take a long hard look at ourselves and ask what are we actually contributing to this country in return for the hospitality we are offered?

Proclaiming that "Well, I'm in such and such a profession and also a Muslim" is of no value or significance. What we do as work is our job for the purposes of income. What have we benefited this country in the context of the faith that you and I proclaim to follow?

How much longer can we tolerate fucking child rapists in Rochdale & Halifax ? Drug dealing "bros" ravaging communities from Birmingham to Burnley? Idiot drivers from Blackburn to Rusholme? And now Fucking suicide bombers - may their parents be eaten by pigs.

I think as a Muslim community we have come to a crossroads. We call ourselves religious but in practice we offer nothing of our faith to our hosts. Entire towns have become ghettos and communities from Batley to Bradford think it is acceptable to just live from cradle to the grave in the UK without any interaction with the wider community.

Until we love our English hosts as we proclaim to love each other we will always fail. Either we change how we live here and abandon our insular ways or else we can expect to be increasingly unwelcome.

As for the Fucking depraved scum who bomb children or prey on schoolgirls like those Rochdale taxi drivers.. I believe that every single member of their family should be immediately deported without trial or question. These depraved minds who can carry out such atrocities need to be made to think twice in their twisted minds that if they do what they plan, than every single member of their family will be deported without question.

I don't really care who I upset with this post. We, as Muslims have reached a crossroads. Either we love and embrace or we can start looking for property on Pakistan's and Bangladesh's version of Rightmove.

That's if the electricity there is working..

~ Abdul Sattar Khan Social Media. Real person look him up.

Now can you imagine if anybody else had written that ??

I haven't seen anyone defend a convicted or even suspected terrorist yet. I must have missed that post.

I really think people on here need to examine why they are defending people who explicitly express they want to kill others because they don't agree with their values and beliefs, yet attack me for apparently being awful

Please point out a post where someone has defended terrorists.

I agree with Abdul Sattar Khan entirely. I do put the blame at the feet of the insular communities for many issues that are almost unique to them.

I have worked for many years in such a community and many among them would welcome the deportations he mentions.

YABU, who cares what KH thinks and says? Save your anger for murderers.

I would think relatives of holocaust victim care !!

I'm going to go out on a limb here after being 'educated' on her tweet and what 'final solution' means. I'm going to ignore all the comments referring to me as 'stupid' for not knowing.
If she does know what it means, which, ok, perhaps she does, surely she means that ISIS should be wiped out, not literally the entire population of Muslims. It's a distasteful metaphor, obviously, but I'm guessing the point she was trying to make in her anger was ISIS/extremism needs to be eradicated.

Nobody is attacking you. Just as nobody is defending people who explicitly express that they want to kill people. Just as nobody said you were awful.

You are frustrated that 110% in agreement with you and are choosing to interpret that as " they must be apologists". That is not the case. Some people just recognise that the scope is far too wide for an narrow approach. That's all.

user we have been through this multiple times already. People can be angry at murderers and bottom feeding gobshites like that woman and her ilk at the same time.

Contrary to what some people seem to think, not everyone has the emotional range of a teaspoon.

"I really think people on here need to examine why they are defending people who explicitly express they want to kill others"

Nobody is.

YABU, who cares what KH thinks and says? Save your anger for murderers.

So, last post for today....: I have more than enough anger to go around.

squirrel nobody is defending terrorism, Jesus H shitting Christ this is not difficult.