to think it's finally time England deals with its Katy Hopkins problem?

[Fliptophead]

I know she feeds off publicity and the best thing really would be to ignore her until she shrivels and dies of fame starvation so I apologise for the thread but this is really too much now isn't it?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-bombing-katie-hopkins-final-solution-muslims-arena-terror-attack-phillip-schofield-a7750656.html

There are plenty of law abiding Muslims living in the UK. It is possible to believe that homosexuality is a sin but not let your belief affect the way you treat gay people.
Homosexuality is hugely taboo in Hindu and Sikh communities too.
Terrorism within the British Muslim world is a recent thing (it was unheard of during my 90's childhood) so something has changed over that period.

Oh ignore my last post. I see that the person I quoted has crossed the line into frothy mouthed Nazism.

Yes, squirrel, I do actually. If you make a claim about [Muslims having a] fundamentally different view to the equality laws we have in the UK the onus is then on you to provide sources to back up your claim.

So, I will ask you again: I take it that you personally have taken the time to speak to every single Muslim in the UK to collate their thoughts on equality?

There are plenty of law abiding Muslims living in the UK. It is possible to believe that homosexuality is a sin but not let your belief affect the way you treat gay people.

You are living in a dream world. Of course our underlying values and beliefs dictate our behaviour. They do for everyone!!
Recruitment, where we go, who we chose to spend time with...life basically.

Anecdotal I know, but a quote from a Muslim friend of ds " my dad says it's not ok to be gay but he says don't say that out loud at school"

Women are not deemed equal status to men in Islam.

Neither do they in many religions, including many Christian religions.

Should we aim for a final solution for the Pope as well?

Do you believe that Catholics are able to behave towards the gay community without prejudice?

6 million Jews. That was The Final Solution. Is that what you want?
Will killing 6 million muslim men , women and children bring those poor kids back?
How will you be able to still look your children in the face after allowing another final solution? You wont be able to if you have any decency. I have had to look my children in the eye and admit that my family had nazis among them. Do you have any idea of the shame and horror that causes? Do you understand that my children know they come from monsters?
That's the fucking reality of the final solution. Killing people and letting your governments kill. How the fuck can anyone believe that is good. How can anyone believe that their children will still be able to love them after that? Jesus humanity is fucked. Nothing has changed in over 70 years. I'm ashamed to be amongst people that believe this is any kind of solution.

The plural of anecdote is categorically not data.

Lweji and findingmyfeet make extremely valid points, too. What do we do about bigotry towards women and homosexuals from Christians?

Wiki explains it all with references and the important point is that UK equality as dictated to by law means something entirely different to the 'equality of spirit' of Islam.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Islam

I don't understand why you would argue that Islam supports equality for women.
You really want me to source it? Really?
Why can't we get real? It's not racist, it's fact. Women are not deemed equal status to men in Islam.

I'm pretty sure that you and anybody else reading this thread can see that at no point did I argue anything about supporting equality for women, I used the driving thing as an example because it illustrates my point. I also didn't even use the word racist let alone claim that anything was. I do not need you to source anything for me, I'm perfectly capable of reading, listening and inferring all by myself. I see that you are far more concerned with driving an anti Muslim agenda so I'll leave you to it.

Well I'd like to see no religion as I've already said. No discrimination between catholic and Islamic sexism for me. Thankfully our law agrees

How about that far-right guy who killed all those young people in Sweden?
Final solution for far-right people?

Or is it just ok for Muslims?

angrylady
I wish I had a recording of my late granduncle's night terrors.

He was a lovely and decent man. But what he experienced in the KZ he could never forget (and he was one of the lucky few that survived). Idk, I'm hoping that you're just ignorant or trying to be edgy.

I personally don't like Islam (yes, I've read the Quran, it's about as lovely as parts of the OT. Or the Torah. In other words, it sucks But I'm just "culturally Christian", so that doesn't have a tangible impact on how I live my life)

I also agree that the current reality of Islam is imo much more concerning than the lived reality of Judaism or Christianity, especially in the West.

But murder is still murder. Doesn't matter whether you're killing a Jewish, Muslim, Christian or Atheist child. (for example)

Or a final solution for white men. You know, given the fact that they like to go on rampages with guns in the US?

There we go with anti-Muslim accusations

I've clearly stated I don't align with many of the human and animal rights aspects of Islam (and other religions) and as I just said, the uk law agrees with me

What I fail to understand is why we see religion as an excuse to not comply with our well developed laws?

It's as black and white as that? Having no religion would solve it?

So international politics and economic factors play no part in global terrorism?

Your view is at best naive.

I'm not apologising for Islamic terrorists btw. I'm just not naive enough to believe that the solution is as simple as eradicating religion.

I'm well educated and have no idea about what 'final solution' meant, it just read 'we need a solution that works' to me

Actually, your rants don't sound well educated.

In any case, what solution would work for you, then?

I also agree that the current reality of Islam is imo much more concerning than the lived reality of Judaism or Christianity, especially in the West.

I understand this point. It's very much about the here and now. Lest we forget that once upon a time the KKK were perfectly happy to use Christianity as justification for persecution of African Americans.

Lest we forget that once upon a time the KKK were perfectly happy to use Christianity as justification for persecution of African Americans.

Not so sure it's so much in the past.

Lotus

I don't think we should forget. Not at all.

But yes, the here and now matters a bit more to me.

There we go with anti-Muslim accusations

You are anti Muslim though. You said yourself that you are anti religion, so anti Muslim by default. That is your perogative, I just have no interest in getting into a debate about it. Especially not at a time like this.

Being anti Islam is surely your perogative. Being anti Muslim is different entirely.

@Lweji I hear you, that's a whole other thread!

Being anti Islam is surely your perogative. Being anti Muslim is different entirely.

Very much this.

Being anti Islam is surely your perogative. Being anti Muslim is different entirely.

Yup. 100% agree with this.