to think it's finally time England deals with its Katy Hopkins problem?

[Fliptophead]

I know she feeds off publicity and the best thing really would be to ignore her until she shrivels and dies of fame starvation so I apologise for the thread but this is really too much now isn't it?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-bombing-katie-hopkins-final-solution-muslims-arena-terror-attack-phillip-schofield-a7750656.html

She may not have known what she alluding to when she used that phrase. I, and plenty of other people, would never know that using the phrase 'final solution' would be forever referencing that

Then maybe I suggest you learn some history. Especially how people and politicians can turn on another group like that.

Germany
Rwanda
Yugoslavia

Oh - and she knows. She was going to be in Army Intelligence. She went to Sandhurst. She knows.

Locking people up on a large scale isn't practical and is likely to fuel more resentment and hate

The UK has had internment. Look at how well that went.

People need to learn from history.

Of course she knows. It was a deliberate choice of phrasing.

Screwinthetuna

She may be a hateful bigot but she is reasonably well educated and a smart cookie. I personally am very sure that she knew.

And anyhow, despite a whole thread of us talking about why she shouldn't have used these words you still think "YABU. I agree with her. Sick to the back teeth of the PC brigade". When no, we aren't being PC, we don't like it when somebody suggests murdering innocents and children.

Seems disingenuous, to say the least.

Feedtheshark,

I'm going off her DailyMail article, I don't have twitter. Every point that she made in her article is valid

If it makes certain posters feel more worthy to focus on Katy Hopkins, then I just hope they sleep well tonight. Frankly I think the decent person would reserve their ire for the terrorists and their supporters.

Just hearing on the radio about people driving miles to give blood. And here are posters sitting in their comfy chairs hectoring about feeling sorry for the terrorist's parents and how we're all to blame. Deeply, deeply unpleasant.

She may not have known what she alluding to when she used that phrase. I, and plenty of other people, would never know that using the phrase 'final solution' would be forever referencing that

She isn't as ignorant as you are. She's a hateful facist with the personality of Pol Pot mixed with Thatcher, but stupid she isn't. She knew what she said.

We all hate terrorists. Why is it necessary to repeat this like a mantra to the exclusion of all else.

More to the point, how is venting your spleen at them going to help?

Frankly I think the decent person would reserve their ire for the terrorists and their supporters

For the fifteenth fucking time, decent people with a brain cell left over after bodily functions can have enough ire for mutiple things!

We can be pissed off about one thing while being outraged at another. It's not even hard, we can manage more than two even!!

But there are a few posters who seem to have things a bit skewed on the ire front.

@sunegg you are full of crap.

I believe some Rohinga have been offered asylum in Saudi. But honestly I think the elephant in the room is in fact the Saudis. How directly they fund Isis I don't know, but there ideology has been exported wholesale and that certainly has fed into terrorism, both in the Middle East and Pakistan/Afghanistan. Yet there's Trump, hot on the heels of May kissing their arses and flogging them more weapons to blow up Yemeni children.
Meanwhile Trump points the finger at Iran who have done precisely nothing.

Then, if we cared so much about getting rid of IS we'd give a lot more backing to the Kurdish Pashmerga (Muslims too, in case anyone isn't aware) but of course can't be pissing off Turkey.

And that's without even factoring in the mess that is Syria.

The reality is that anyone could make a home-made device and detonate it in a crowd at any time. Or drive a truck into a group of people. What we rely on is people not wanting to.

And with the current global situation, and the selling of arms seemingly more important than human lives (as long as they are far away and brown), I don't see how terrorist incidents are going to decrease anytime soon.

Agree totally with your last post Toast

Woah. I didn't know what final solution meant either. Until today.

Perhaps I am ignorant.

Jeez. MN is nasty ATM.

There is strong justification for hate and rage right now. The hospital near me is still dealing with the aftermath of those murdered and maimed.

I hate that. I hate that children were murdered at a pop concert. I hate the man that did it. I hate those that apologise for it. I hate the ideology that underpins the insanity of it.

Others do feel the same and want to stamp it out but get called racist and accused of being the instigators or the cause and are just expected to hold hands and weep. It feels like we should just shut up and get used to it - no not me thanks.

Oh and to the poster up thread who said mosques and immans were safe - arf! Yeah ok.

toast totally agree with your last post

Woah. I didn't know what final solution meant either. Until today

People really need to learn history.

It's repeating itself right at the moment.

Precisely my views, Orlantina. If ppl don't know or, in many cases, just can't be arsed to find out, about history, it will just repeat, and we will stand by.

It really bugs me all these faux outraged comments like 'woah' and 'perhaps I'm ignorant'. Yes you're ignorant and in being so, you let ppl like Hopkins get away with writing disgusting inflammatory shit.

How? How can you live in the 20th / 21st century and not know what the final solution refers to?

Ignorant really is the right word for that.

Dangerous, dangerous ignorance.

My thoughts exactly, BitOutOfPractice.

One thing is certain - KH knew exactly what it meant.

Of course she did. She's not stupid. Just an attention seeking vile fascist.

I might get deleted for that I think

Screwinthetuna

i'm going off her DailyMail article, I don't have twitter. Every point that she made in her article is valid

Right. What about clicking on the link in the OP?

And how can you not know? Even if my family had never talked about the Shoah, we learned about it in school (and no, I didn't go to school in Germany or Israel).

With all due respect, but what the fuck are British schools teaching?

That's one of my issues, that people don't know, know or don't care... or didn't know but even after being informed still think that what she said was ok/are defending her. This complacency is scaring me much more than her tweet.

littlemissangrypants excellent post.
All this "we need to get angry", who with exactly?
Terrorists don't exactly walk around identifying themselves, so who do you propose we direct our anger at?
This was a cowardly, atrocious act of terrorism, no doubt. But hate speech and hysteria will only create an environment where these sorts of acts are even more commonplace.