to think it's finally time England deals with its Katy Hopkins problem?

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I know she feeds off publicity and the best thing really would be to ignore her until she shrivels and dies of fame starvation so I apologise for the thread but this is really too much now isn't it?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-bombing-katie-hopkins-final-solution-muslims-arena-terror-attack-phillip-schofield-a7750656.html

The world feels like a powder keg at the moment.
People like Hopkins don't help.

We and us are Western people who were targeted. No one mentioned colour or religion if the victims.

Like most people I had a thought for the people caught up in the attack last night, then I got on with my day.
Maybe the real problem is that we as a society have started to expect these attacks and we, as a society, are too busy collectively frothing at the mouth instead of having calm and collected conversations about why this keeps happening. Or maybe we are just afraid to have those conversations because then we might have to take some responsibility ourselves.

Violence breeds violence.
Hate breeds hate.

I only hope that one day our society grows up enough and gains enough intelligence to start having these difficult conversations; but I fear that the easy approach will always be to weep and wail and wring our hands and make it all about us.

@floatingfrog What a load of utter rubbish you spoute. Why should Muslims dissacociate with the Mosque when Mosques and Imams are the ones constantly telling them to be good citizens, and NOT to go anywhere near terrorism. Mosques are the best place for Muslims. You clearly don't have a clue.

Toast

I absolutely agree. I think that seeing as my family was actually targetted by the Nazis... Idk, I'm not saying people that didn't grow up with the "Nazi stories" don't feel strongly about this. Idk, I really feel scared to see that people agree with this or try to minimise it. Not so much the causal use of words for 3rd Reich policies but the fact that so many people are apparently not horrified by it...

However, I agree. Something needs to be done.

And we can't continue to shout everybody down that voices uncomfortable truths. I don't see Buddhists doing this kind of shit. Or Sikhs.

True, but people slaughtering your society's children, its most vulnerable people of all, with no justice to be had, warrants furious anger.

Drone strikes do not differentiate between adults or children either, fuck this world, why do we have to kill on either side of the divide, extremists in all their forms need to be shown that hate isnt the way, rags like the s*n and fail perpetuate the othering that these people feel and gets used to persuade them to do some awful things.

I feel so sorry for any parent who has to lose a child in such circumstances from either 'side'

@FeedTheShark

Yeah, it's unthinkable to go down that road, we can't let such filth as would intentionally target children in this way, bring us down to their level.

YABU. I agree with her. Sick to the back teeth of the PC brigade silencing everyone and people censoring everything they say incase they are perceived as racist. We should be allowed to be angry.I am ANGRY that I have to raise my children in a country where I'm too afraid to let them go to a concert. Something needs to be done; she's only saying what so many of us are thinking.

Drone strikes do not differentiate between adults or children either

Do drone strikes intentionally target children and use a person on the ground with eyes on to make sure lots of children are killed at a music venue? No, then that moral equivalence is FUCKING BOLLOCKS then isn't it.

Something needs to be done; she's only saying what so many of us are thinking

What?

We could destroy the homes of terrorists. That's what they do in Israel. Why not build a wall and have a separate place in the UK for Muslims.
Or inter Muslims. Just the ones who might be terrorists.

Do you think that would work?

Or do you think that might create even more tension?

Something needs to be done. We need to take strong action like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan, what a success that was.

Drone strikes kill thousands so terrorists think it's absolutely acceptable to target children. They don't have their own drones so do the next best thing.

I can't see an end to this until there is justice for the masses in the eastern world. While corruption and dictators flourish, so will terror.

Screwinthetuna

You agree with her? Really? The final solution was the decision that led to the murder of about 2/3's of Europe's Jewish population. And for example about 90% of the Polish Jewish population.

Hopkins knew what she was alluding to when using this word.

She isn't "just" suggesting a travelling ban, an immigration stop or something as awful as unjustified deportation... Words have power and Hopkins is suggesting the systematic murder of innocents.

Do drone strikes intentionally target children and use a person on the ground with eyes on to make sure lots of children are killed at a music venue?

No we just level whole streets instead, and cause them to resent us more, we need to stop with the killing, from ALL sides, we need to stop selling arms to the people who also perpetuate this 'war'

Do you think that would work?

Orl - I don't think we are approaching the same boat as Israel in terms of desperation or problems.

If we were, if we had really created that kind of situation in the UK, that would be a pretty damning indictment of our political environment.

Feed unfortunately that's not strictly true about Buddhists. There are currently awful atrocities being carried out against the Rohinga (Muslim minority) in Myanmar. Really sickening stuff but it seems to get almost zero publicity here.

And therein, I think, lies the problem. I have lived in the Middle East so I know for a fact that people are just as appalled as we are by the targeting of innocents. They are, however, acutely aware of the hypocrisy of Western attitudes. The vast majority of victims of Isis are Muslim and it passes nearly unremarked, as does the absolute catastrophe in Yemen. Yet when it's us, then it's suddenly beyond the pale and something must be done.

Of course it feels more hurtful and shocking when it's close to home. That's understandable. But I wish people would open their eyes to the global picture, because it's all connected and affects all of us.

And there is never any excuse to use the language of the Third Reich as you so rightly say.

What perpetually astonishes me is that the media continue to give her the opportunity to air her views.

If only they would just ignore the woman - nothing she says is worth hearing.

You mention racism and yiu mention anger. Which race are you angry with

Ive been called some amazing thing in my times but never a terrorist

Thats a first

Trump has just concluded a major arms deal with Saudi.

God knows how much weaponry we sell to that part of the world - and God knows how many innocent people are killed with UK and US weapons.

I wonder what many parents in that part of the world feel about the West?

feedtheshark

She may not have known what she alluding to when she used that phrase. I, and plenty of other people, would never know that using the phrase 'final solution' would be forever referencing that.

Toast

I know about the Rohingya Muslims, yes. A lot of racism and ethnic tension.

But the scale of it is not comparable to the terrorism or the religious persecution of non-Muslims in Muslim majority countries. And it stays local, so yes, obviously unaffected countries care less.

That doesn't mean I think the plight of the Rohinga Muslims should be ignored. But, let's face it, it isn't just the West that doesn't seem to give a flying fuck about them. Neither do the powerful Muslim countries...

Being known to officials doesn't make you a terrorist automatically. We must follow the rule of law.

Locking people up on a large scale isn't practical and is likely to fuel more resentment and hate.