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To consider the Conservatives' manifesto pretty decent on the whole?

909 replies

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/05/2017 15:45

Pretty decent in terms in principles, that is ... as so often with manifestos it's too thin on costings

Main points here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311

Full version here: www.conservatives.com/manifesto

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 18/05/2017 19:22

I told him - selfish, self-serving, uncaring Tories, that's who. grin

How grown up. [hummm]

I17neednumbers · 18/05/2017 19:23

puzzled, keep going! If no northern powerhouse are there any other regionalisation proposals - apart from moving Channel 4 and some civil service, both of which seem positive at least.
(Have seen the threads about the difficulties of moving civil service, but some has been successful hasn't it - some DoH in Leeds, depts in Sheffield?)

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/05/2017 19:23

117neednumbers ... from the ageuk website:

Pension Credit comes in two parts:

Guarantee Credit tops up your weekly income to a guaranteed minimum level:

£159.35 if you’re single
or £243.25 if you’re a couple.

Savings Credit is extra money if you’ve got some savings or your income is higher than the basic State Pension. It’s only available to people who reached State Pension age before 6 April 2016. You could get up to:

£13.20 extra per week if you’re single
or £14.90 if you’re a couple.

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Wannabe2017 · 18/05/2017 19:24

Keeping the rich, rich and the poor, poor!

Justanotherlurker · 18/05/2017 19:27

No, but since they have tried to buy pensioners votes in the past, I hope it comes back to bite them.

But if you think Labour didn't try to appeal to the largest demographic as well then I have a bridge to sell.

Now that it is off the table, I presume any pandering to come out from labour from this day forth is not "just trying to buy the pensioner vote"

It would have been quicker for you to just type yes to my initial response.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/05/2017 19:28

Grin Are you being ironic?

If you mean about the Northern Powerhouse thing, then no - I was genuinely trying to find if there was anything in the full manifesto Wink Not found anything at all about regional proposals yet, northern or otherwise ....

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Charmageddon · 18/05/2017 19:29

Having read the manifestos I actually think Lib Dems have the best. Think it's a shame that people consider them a wasted vote and write them off.

Styling themselves as the Remain party is what has stymied the Lib Dems in this election.

I can see why they did, but it was a shocking act of self harm wrt votes.

If you support Brexit, then Conservative is the only proper option tbh.
Labour's Brexit policy is incoherent bollocks, even if you do buy in to their vision of a communist utopia (although I would argue that dystopia is more apt).

Sionella · 18/05/2017 19:29

Damn those selfish, self-serving, uncaring Tory tax payers. Damn them all to hell for having a different point of view!

Atenco · 18/05/2017 19:29

I told him - selfish, self-serving, uncaring Tories, that's who. grin

Certainly seems to be the case.

Charmageddon · 18/05/2017 19:31

AFAIK there are no costings for the Tory manifesto, yet the Labour one has been fully costed!

Except it isn't.

They didn't mention reversing any of the benefits cuts/freezes & if they are going to do that, then it hasn't been costed.

Justanotherlurker · 18/05/2017 19:36

Keeping the rich, rich and the poor, poor!

SherlockHolmes, your 14yr old DS is using MN, just an FYI

Grin
LineysRun · 18/05/2017 19:36

The Tory manifesto is more uncosted than the others.

I17neednumbers · 18/05/2017 19:37

Thanks puzzled. So:

£159.35 if you’re single (per week)

Does that mean any single pensioner who receives more than that will now be deemed not to need winter fuel allowance?

Bejazzled · 18/05/2017 19:38

The Labour manifesto costings were worked out by Diane Abbott I believe.

Op, yanbu, I think it's a very good attempt to start a process of more fairness. Well done Theresa and your team.

HelenaDove · 18/05/2017 19:38

Dawndonna Thanks

Re pensioners.................the ones on DLA who turned 65 after 2013 are now being transferred from DLA to PIP.

Peregrina · 18/05/2017 19:41

It would have been quicker for you to just type yes to my initial response.

I am not exactly sure what you are on about, but since I don't vote Tory, any attempts by them to buy my vote falls flat.

Two4One2017 · 18/05/2017 19:43

A lot of this manifesto is Labour 2015 - and now is the right time for it (poor Ed!).

From Guardian:
"Paul Johnson, director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, told the BBC that the spending plans in the Conservative manifesto would probably not require much extra tax.

"While there is not an absolute promise not to increase income tax or national insurance, what you have got is a pretty modest set of proposals which probably isn’t going to require terribly much in the way of tax increases.

If you look at the Labour party proposals, they have costed out their spending proposals at a pretty big £75bn. To be clear, £75bn is a very, very big number indeed, and they have promised £50n of tax rises.

The big difference is that from the Labour party we have a much bigger state, much more spending, much more tax. In the Conservative manifesto we have much more small-c conservatism. There isn’t a lot more spending or a lot more tax."

He also said that the Conservative manifesto “pretty much matches” Labour’s plans for spending on health.

And he said the Tories have left themselves “wriggle room” by keeping the target date of 2025 for eliminating the deficit."

BBC summary of main points:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311

My thoughts:
Fox hunting: free vote, won't get through, red herring. Move on.

Social care: an attempt to equalise the intergenerational unfairness. My parents paid very little for their house 40yrs ago - it is now worth a fortune. They haven't "earnt" that money - it's an increase in wealth through the rise of the house market. Should they therefore use that increased value, down to £100,000 (still more than they paid for it) to fund any care they may need either in a care home or in their own home...and then when they are both dead, I will pay the state back, down to £100,000 (4x the current limit). Or should I be entitled to the full value of their house when they both die as an inheritance? Of course, I'm happy for tax payers to subsidise my inheritance, but I personally think this is a fairer approach. However, Dilnot was not happy with it, so I want to try and understand that. Also realise that if you get cancer everything is paid for but if you get dementia nothing is - seems ridiculous. But this is a key issue with a reduced workforce earning money and paying tax (hence the need for immigration) and an ageing population which is living longer. The social care bill is going to balloon in the future unless we get a grip of it now.

OAPs: I'm happy means testing is coming in. The poorest OAPs still get everything but my parents currently give away their winter fuel allowance to charity because they don't need it, but the system will not stop paying it to them. I hope this means support for the most needy is greater. Another example of trying to reduce inter generational inequality (because younger people's taxes pay for a universal benefit which should be means tested).

Other: support for fracking, HS2, Northern Powerhouse Rail and Heathrow expansion (emphasis on developing skills and careers of British workers),

Brexit: IMO the most important issue. Whoever wins has to navigate through these choppy waters. If it doesn't go well, the domestic issues will pale into insignificance as we will have bigger issues to deal with.....

Justanotherlurker · 18/05/2017 19:43

Why bring them up with politics that go against everything you believe in and isn't good for the majority of the population.

Im sure your just as happy with all those children of parents who vote for a blue rosette no matter what, and don't think they need to broaden their horizons/see a different point of view/stop reading the bogey man right wing media...

nope not at all.... Hmm

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/05/2017 19:43

117neednumbers please correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think the new thresholds for WFA payments have been announced yet?

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 18/05/2017 19:45

Does that mean any single pensioner who receives more than that will now be deemed not to need winter fuel allowance?

The details haven't yet been released

LittleMissCrappy · 18/05/2017 19:47

I just think that there are many people posting here who are Tory campaigners, probably volunteers, maybe paid.

To think that the Tory manifesto is a good basis for a fairer society is complete balls.

It's a good manifesto if you are not disabled, old, poor, sick, or have children in state schools. Fair society my backside.

I17neednumbers · 18/05/2017 19:48

Ah, I thought i had read somewhere that the threshold would be that anyone receiving pension credit will still get it - everyone else loses it.

Saving of around £1.3bn. I can't remember where I saw that - have been on a number of websites today!

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 18/05/2017 19:50

I just think that there are many people posting here who are Tory campaigners, probably volunteers, maybe paid.

Here we go again.

I don't agree with people so they must be plants.

MNHQ has written on a few threads asking people not to abuse posters of this on threads.

Charmageddon · 18/05/2017 19:54

Two4One, I agree re the social care thing.

The amount that is ring-fenced against assets is going to be just over 3 times the current limit - great.

All it means is that someone who has received care over their latter years is able to leave just £100,00 or less as inheritance (if their care costs have whittled away the rest).

There's no pockets in a shroud & you can't take your money with you when you die - so why shouldn't it be used to contribute to the costs of your care?

Justanotherlurker · 18/05/2017 19:54

I am not exactly sure what you are on about, but since I don't vote Tory, any attempts by them to buy my vote falls flat.

No, it was obvious from your initial response that you wasn't a tory voter, hence why you was happy for people to vote for their own personal reasons as it aligned with your own political view point.

It's a classic "I'm alright jack" mindset that is so often thrown around at tory voters, but you are promoting it because with the demographic time bomb on our hands, it wont be you paying for it.

Its quite ironic...