To consider the Conservatives' manifesto pretty decent on the whole?

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

Pretty decent in terms in principles, that is ... as so often with manifestos it's too thin on costings

Main points here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311

Full version here: www.conservatives.com/manifesto

Two4one, that was a very good post. Thanks.

LittleMiss, a lot of us strongly support the Tories or Labour. It's pretty obvious. I haev a signed letter Mrs Thatcher sent me in about 1979 in my office. I am not a paid poster. I am not volunteering for the Tories. I am just giving my views.

I do think most people are being pretty polite to each other. The nation was riven in two sometimes amongst even familes by the brexit vote and we have it yet again now with the election. It will be a bit of a relief when the election is over and we can just get on with being one nation again and loving our neighbour as ourselves as most in the Tory and Labour parties and indeed the UK do.

I can't remember where I saw that - have been on a number of websites today!

Tell me about it Again I could be wrong, but I thought the "pension credit threshold" thing had been suggested as a possibility rather than something which had actually been decided ... ?

I just think that there are many people posting here who are Tory campaigners

I obviously can't speak on anyone else's behalf, but please could I just point out that I'm most certainly not one of them. My views may be right or they may be wrong, but they're mine alone

I just think that there are many people posting here who are Tory campaigners, probably volunteers, maybe paid.

Oh please.... step out of your echo chamber

Since the last GE and the shit show that is corbyn more people have a different point of view.

Trying to infer this type of mindset is a juvenile tactic.

I wish i could be paid for ridiculing some of the Tankies momentum on here though, it would mean i could sit in my pj's and catch up on some netflix series

as it aligned with your own political view point.

I don't think you have a clue how I vote. It's the first time I have had "I'm all right jack" thrown at my because it's not the way I live.

Every time more than a couple of posters come out as either pro-Tory or pro-Brexit the "Paid Shills!" trope begins.

Found it! (about wfa threshold) On Guardian live, quoting Torsten Bell at 13.26pm - saving of £1.7bn.

Speaking of Corbyn, I've just switched on the ITV "Leaders' Debate" to see he's not turned up

After the PM said she wouldn't be doing it, I thought he'd grab the opportunity, but it seems not

It's obvious really why this is a manifesto that does not really rock the boat in an economic sense - Brexit is the turbulent event of the next 2+ years, so why implement major economic change domestically on top of that?

I am not a Tory plant, just someone who reads widely, subscribes to Think Tanks and thinks about how various policies will affect my family.I have a 6th former studying politics so have taken more of an interest so that we can debate and follow everything together. It's been really interesting. I watch BBC Parliament when ironing.

I like the LibDems honesty with 1p on IT for everyone, not sure about cannabis (never really considered it before), dislike their views on legalising prostitution, don't like the idea of a 2nd referendum, not wildly keen on Tim Farron

I dislike Corbyn and his team's ability to lead (172 of his MPs executed a vote of no confidence in him last year....and now they want me to vote for him - not a chance). My opinion is that his front bench is either too inexperienced or too crap to guide us through Brexit, and he is very quiet about that (where's Kier Starmer, one of the grown ups?). And that's before the spending plans......

I don't think you have a clue how I vote. It's the first time I have had "I'm all right jack" thrown at my because it's not the way I live.

I think you gave too much away in your initial response than you care to admit.

It's not a shame to admit that your initial answer could have just been a "yes"

The Leaders' Debate is awesome. Nuttall is crackers, absolutely crackers.

Farron doing well.

Lucas, Wood and Sturgeon good.

The Leaders' Debate is awesome. Nuttall is crackers, absolutely crackers.

Not really a leaders debate is it, its more a running for the wooden spoon, I think we can all understand now why Corbyn and May avoided this mess.

Hate sturgeons politics but she's clearly on a completely different skill level to the rest of the field and I think Tim Farron is enjoying just telling family stories

Leaders debate, without either Corbyn or May? Poor show from both of them

Pretty decent? No more funding for NHS only 8 billion over 6 years which they are already doing. No funding for social care just make more people pay for their care with no cap on the cost of care. To give someone 24 hour care in their own home at the present rate will cost you £134,000 per year. You could need as much as 5-10 years if you have dementia, it's not a quick death. That figure will be a lot more in say 5 years time. But hey don't worry you don't have to sell your house to pay for your care till you die. Your family will foot the shortfall when you die. On the other hand you may only need a couple of months care before you peg it so lucky you and your family they get their inheritance. If like me you do not own your home and are put in a residential home they will take all of your pension bar £23 a week with which you will have to buy toiletries, clothes, taxi to and from hospital , podiatrist as carers are no longer allowed to cut your nails, hairdressers, birthday and Xmas gifts for family and the occasional game of bingo or entertainment at your residential home. I agree some should pay for care that can afford it but with no cap on what that cost is like there is at the moment I feel ole May has let her very own faithful grey voters down quite badly which I find ironic.

twoforone2017 your posts express my thoughts much more succinctly than I can, thanks!

Leaders debate, without either Corbyn or May? Poor show from both of them sad

I agree.

The LibDems press office is hilarious on twitter. The Labour press office just tweeted about the debate and their response was shut up, you took the night off

I think the fact that neither Corbyn or may have shown up for the debate is very very poor on both of them.
It shows arrogance and little value on the populations opinion. I don't think I can vote for either party now. JC was given so an amazing opportunity and he's turned his nose up at it, and us.
UKIP are digging their own grave, so some good has come from it.
Torn between voting green or libdem now.

I agree it would have been good to see both May and Corbyn there, but May said quite frankly she wouldn't be taking part ... which is why I'm surprised that Corbyn didn't grab his chance in her absence

Then again, if the pollsters' remarks about the effect he's having on voters are right, maybe someone's sitting on his head to keep him out of public view ...

Sost, the plan is not to leave the family with bills. If someone has a house worth more than £100k they pay for their own care down to £100k and £100k remains for the family after the death. If they use all their money or don't have any money to pay for care then we other tax payers fund it, not the family after death.

"If someone has a house worth more than £100k they pay for their own care down to £100k and £100k remains for the family after the death. "

I do understand the intergenerational point behind it - that younger taxpayers should not be financing other people's inheritance. But I don't (genuinely) understand why, if this is the outcome, we would stop here. Why wouldn't we also make all rich pensioners pay for their health care out of a charge on their assets after they die, down to £100k? I assume that isn't what most pp want though? (I don't!)

It shows arrogance and little value on the populations opinion. I don't think I can vote for either party now. JC was given so an amazing opportunity and he's turned his nose up at it, and us

I'm not sure, i think it's still a relatively new thing in the UK and it does feel quite "presidential" we have PMQ's and plenty of political broadcasts etc, im not sure where i stand on this kind of tv tbh

The LibDems Press Office are trolling Labour and Tories

Well having worked in the care industry for 30 years I know that I am right. May intends to put no cap on the cost and someone has to fund it to leave 100k if it takes all assets up to that figure for the care. Wrong what May means is that anyone who has assets over 100k will pay all their care costs which means more people will have to pay for their care. It does not mean down to the last 100k. Any deficit on your death will have to be met by either the family or the state. May actually is making way for the first step towards privatisation of the care sector and people will have to get a private health insurance out to cover what might be a deficit. Dementia is a slow death, you may need care for anything from 5 to even 15 years. Altzeimers can start as early as your 40s depending on what type you have. With no cap on the amount of money you pay for care which May intends it could cost your family an astronomical amount. As no one knows what your lot will be I.e 1 in 3 will develop dementia in form or another it will be a lottery as to who comes out of it with anything left and of course May does not intend putting anymore funds into the care system as she knows that in 10 years time the present figure of 1,000,000 people in this country with dementia will triple because we all so much want to live longer and are living longer.

Obviously no one wants to know the truth. In 5 years time inflation will be in double figures there will only be a basic NHS probably just AE being the only free service, a 3 tier education system with schools serving such a narrow curriculum based on academia only and aimed at the top 30% only that your children who are not academic will have no choice but to go to a sink school or a tech school where May will train your kids to accept wages lower than they can live on with no hope of social mobility and being left even more behind in the ever increasing g selfish world of Tory loving globalisation. Good luck to you all, it's a long way down.

Can someone please clarify the care and £100'000 in this example please
I.e a pensioner has carers every day but isn't forced to sell their house until they die, pensioner care bills are well over £50,000 and their house is worth £120'000 so after their death the house would be sold and £20'000 would be recouped from the sale of the house? £100'000 to go to family
Is that right?

What if family member who inherits house wanted to live in mums house after she had died but couldn't afford to just give £20'000 to govt?

Who assesses the home they own and when as house prices vary? Would it be the minute they need care then someone assesses their home?

What if a pensioner needed care but was part of a couple and 1 was left in the house? How would they recoup the care costs then?

Sillysausage read my last but one post and it will explain things for you.