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To consider the Conservatives' manifesto pretty decent on the whole?

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/05/2017 15:45

Pretty decent in terms in principles, that is ... as so often with manifestos it's too thin on costings

Main points here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311

Full version here: www.conservatives.com/manifesto

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Sostenueto · 19/05/2017 16:34

I took it to mean anyone with 100 grand has to pay for own care costs as house was now being took into account for care in your own home and you didn't have to sell until death to meet care costs no matter what they were as the cap on the amount if care costs will be removed. Now at present if you require more than 22 hours care a week in your own home then the council will persuade you residential is better and cheaper for them. That is the cap on care costs that she proposes to remove I think anyway. I.e. no matter what care costs are. So you won't be forced into residential care where your house will be sold to pay for your costs as is the case today. The bit I don't get is 100k protected to pass on as inheritance. I really don't think May means that bit, but if course, I'm not that intelligent but it is the bit which rather defeats the reason for altering social care in the first place.

makeourfuture · 19/05/2017 16:39

I will agree with you guys, it's a confusing policy...

BorisTrumpsHair · 19/05/2017 16:48

Conservatives have an AMBITION to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - but they don't think it is at all realistic or achievable.

BBC summarises manifesto pledge as "Net migration cut to below 100,000" on the OP's link

Sloppy pro-Tory reporting by BBC? Or a misdirection by Tory manifesto?

Either way they are clearly appealing to anti-immigration Brexiteers, with widely misleading statements they neither believe in or think is even remotely possible. And many people are stupid and unthinking/unquestioning enough to swallow it all up whole.

citroenpresse · 19/05/2017 16:49

Are you seriously saying he 'doesn't understand it'?. Labour are strongly against. They think it is unfair and a tax on dementia. (If you have cancer, you qualify for nursing care). I think it is a radical policy and I see no reason why wealthy elderly people should not have to pay for their own care, although many of them probably do already. But if I didn't believe that - if I wanted to pass on wealth or a home and my 'assets' were somewhere around 200-300,000, I'd be very worried indeed. And what happens when you get down to your last 100k? Are your children going to be happy when you have to be moved from your expensive care home to somewhere cheaper?

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/05/2017 16:58

I was thinking that if we had a sensible housing programme ...That this situation would improve greatly

I don't doubt it, though it bears saying that ultra-low mortgage rates should have done something to help - if crazy house price inflation hadn't ruined things of course. I do doubt that folk will ever stop protecting their assets if the means exist to do so, however, and I suppose you can't blame them when so much of what they're expected to pay out is simply wasted on political vanity projects and worse

Overall some very interesting hings have been said about the complexity of it all, which seems to suggest that, as ever, it's important to get proper advice if possible

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 19/05/2017 17:00

Are you seriously saying he 'doesn't understand it'?

With Corbyn anything is possible.

citroenpresse · 19/05/2017 17:03

With a landslide, May can pretty much do what she wants. Appoint who she wants, control Brexit policy the way she wants. Hold hands with whoever she wants. All those who expect detailed financial costings from the Labour Party manifesto don't seem to expect the same from the Tories. She doesn't (and won't) provide detail. A disaster.

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 19/05/2017 17:07

Surely the Govt will 'crack down' on Trusts/split wills etc if everyone does them. Otherwise they wont be getting the money they planned to get.

I should imagine they will do it pretty soon after the election, as mentioning it now would lose votes.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/05/2017 17:09

If you have cancer, you qualify for nursing care

It's not just cancer, though - under the Continuing Care rules any nursing need should be considered as part of the assessment, even those relating to dementia

Nobody pretends it's easy to get of course, or that the guidelines are anything but byzantine, but it's certainly not impossible either

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Hillingdon · 19/05/2017 17:16

There is very likely to be a Tory Landslide. So all the people voting for May are voting for a disaster.

In your view of course. And the alternative is???

Labour have really spoilt it for themselves. I would love to see a strong opposition but Diane and JC could manage their way out of a paper bag. JC does seem to believe in a really socialist society (apart from his child going to a grammar school against his wishes!). The fact is they still went and got the grammar school education. Funny that!

Diane Abbott is very different. Enough has been said what she has done over the years. You really think those two are best place to run Brexit and the economy.

Hillingdon · 19/05/2017 17:19

Couldn't (not could!)

makeourfuture · 19/05/2017 17:19

The fact is they still went and got the grammar school education. Funny that!

Are you suggesting he should have kidnapped them or something?

Charmageddon · 19/05/2017 17:21

I think lots of people are confused....

Two4One - I'm wondering now if it was actually Jezza himself that was posting on these threads last night (that couldn't understand the concept of the £100k ring-fence...)

WinkGrin

wasonthelist · 19/05/2017 17:23

In your view of course. And the alternative is???

So, then, it's a choice between shit and shite?

Hillingdon · 19/05/2017 17:24

No, I am saying that its the usual excuse by socialists who send their kids to grammar or private schools. The old Labour PM's such as Wilson and co all sent their children to a private school. So did that arch socialist Shirley Williams (I had a posh boyfriend many years ago who was in the same year).

They blame religion, the wife etc. Diane Abbott that champagne socialist had to use the race card but from her point of view she still survived. She didn't have to resign. And look at her now...

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 19/05/2017 17:24

I don't understand why they don't just put a penny in income tax- just for social care, then everyone shares the burden! Oh wait that's what the Lib Dems have proposed!

Hillingdon · 19/05/2017 17:26

I am a state school educated with both children at private schools (one has left now). I welcome the grammar schools. My children did not take the 11 plus even though we were in the Bucks area. They just weren't for us but the private schools have been the making of boys so no regrets.

bojorojo · 19/05/2017 17:33

Shirley Williams - arch socialist!!!? She left Labour because they were too left wing socialist!!! How time obscures the truth.

The Tory policy on social care is rather socialist. You pay if you have the value in your property as well as in savings. You don't move out of your house if you don't want to or even sell it. You pay the costs after death. So older folk, get giving the property to your children ASAP then rent it back.

Hillingdon · 19/05/2017 17:36

There are always choices in life.You could move abroad, you could retrain, you could learn to drive (someone on another thread said that they could only apply for jobs within walking distance or ones on the way to her DP's work because they couldn't drive (um - could you learn?).

You could even think about running as an Independent or join a political party. Many years ago before children we had an opportunity to go to Australia. I would have gone but my DH didnt want to leave his ageing parents (who are still with us) so we made a choice to stay.

There was no half way house and we have done ok but sometimes I do wonder what would have happened and how would our lives would have turned out if we had gone. There are always reasons why something happens or doesn't happen and its often personal choice as to the decision you make but often people like to step away from that personel responsibility and blame others for their lot in life.

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 19/05/2017 17:38

bojo they will stop you doing that. Just like HMRC stop "tax loopholes" which allow people to legally avoid paying tax.

Hillingdon · 19/05/2017 17:41

Shirley Williams wanted comprehensive education for all and abolished the grammar schools. For her children though she chose the private system.

Fortunately grammars are coming back. What I would like to see though is more technical colleges. We are short of trades and I could have kissed the plumber who rushed around to our old house and stopped water pouring through the ceiling! We need more people like this.

citroenpresse · 19/05/2017 17:48

shit and shite...yup. I don't have a problem with lefties sending their kids to private schools. All parents are entitled to a choice. I feel sorry for Dianne Abbot - I think she looks ill. Her life, after Jo Cox was murdered, must have been pretty frightening.

Hillingdon · 19/05/2017 18:02

Citroen - I have to agree with you re DA. She doesn't look well. She comes across as sort of vacant. The LBC interview was a car crash. She had the notes in front of her and should have been much much better prepared. She could even had got a minion to prepare a set of words. After all we couldn't see her and neither could Nick Ferrari.

I have a real problem with lefties sending their kids to private schools. Its as though they have opted out yet still feel they are down with the rest of us. Spouting off nonsense about us all being equal and entitled to the same thing. DA has done herself no favours and she could do a lot worse than resign for the sake of her health. I suspect the seniors in the LP have put a sticking plaster firmly over her mouth until after 8th June. She is overweight and her speech is slow and laboured (sorry about the pun!).

Its almost as if her heart isn't in it.

I also wonder how she managed to fund a private school on her salary. She doesn't have a partner does she? Sorry, really not up on her personal circumstances

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 19/05/2017 18:04

All those who expect detailed financial costings from the Labour Party

Tbf it was Labour that kept banging in about it being fully costed.

It isn't however

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 19/05/2017 18:05

Her life, after Jo Cox was murdered, must have been pretty frightening.

Isn't that the same for all MPs though.