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This thread is about Trump. You didn't hear it from me. Trump cont

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Orlantina · 16/05/2017 19:50

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2927686-This-thread-is-fired-Terminated-Trump-cont

Only been 4 days since the last one.

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hackmum · 18/05/2017 09:08

I think the Republicans are unlikely to impeach Trump simply because he's corrupt, nepotistic, impeding criminal investigations and passing secrets onto the Russians.

BUT they might impeach him to save their own skin. I think there will come a point when they look around them and realise that having Trump in power is going to be disastrous for the Republican Party. The Dow Jones fell 370 points yesterday - the GOP's wealthy supporters are not going to be happy about that..

So I think there's a very good chance they will get rid of him sooner rather than later, and they might have to find a way of doing it that doesn't involve impeachment. Assuming the Republicans act like the Tories (managing to dispose of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Andrea Leadsom as leadership candidates in the blink of an eye), I think they will come up with a plan that gives Trump no option but to resign.

They will have a new leader in place very quickly - unless, of course, Pence and the others are all implicated in the Russian stuff. That could make things more complicated.

SanFranBear · 18/05/2017 09:54

On the succession, I personally think Pence would be a disaster for civil liberties, equality and minorities everywhere.

If I remember from several threads back, Orrin Hatch is a fairly moderate Republican (he voted for marriage equality for a start) so I'm kind of hopeful that if Trump goes down, he takes Pence with him.

It's all speculation right now though. Although, I will be interested to see how he copes with his first foreign trip. He's going to be surrounded by experienced politicians and intelligent individuals (not always the same people!) and, as I said earlier I don't want the US to fail - he is going to be out of his depth.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/05/2017 10:02

Pence is implicated. To what degree and whether it's an offense the Republicans will pursue him for is another matter but he has knowingly lied about his knowledge of what happened with Flynn.

Maddow and others have been pointing out for awhile that his version of events - that he only found out about Flynn being an unregistered foreign agent the day after he was fired - cannot be true. He was the head of the transition team that was warned by Elijah Cummings/Congress by letter on 18th November about the payments; Flynn's own lawyers told the transition team twice that he was being paid to work for a foreign government; this information was also reported freely in the press.

He was in charge of vetting Flynn for the position of the head of the NSA and was the head of the transition when all information about Flynn was given to the transition team and this was still his reaction in March after Flynn was fired:

BAIER: Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn has filed with the Department of Justice as a foreign agent for making more than $500,000 as a lobbyist, essentially, for Turkey. Your reaction to that, considering that — doesn’t that mean, Mr. Vice President, that even if he didn’t lie to you about what the Russian ambassador said or didn’t say, that you would have had to fire him anyway?
PENCE: Let me say, hearing that story today was the first I heard of it. And I fully support the decision that President Trump made to ask for General Flynn’s resignation.
BAIER: You’re disappointed by the story?
PENCE: First I heard of it, and I think it is an affirmation of the President’s decision to ask General Flynn to resign.

Again, I know that all sorts of egregious behaviour is being left unchallenged but this has to go somewhere surely?

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 10:23

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-contacts-idUSKCN18E106
Exclusive: Trump campaign had at least 18 undisclosed contacts with Russians - sources

Michael Flynn and other advisers to Donald Trump’s campaign were in contact with Russian officials and others with Kremlin ties in at least 18 calls and emails during the last seven months of the 2016 presidential race, current and former U.S. officials familiar with the exchanges told Reuters.

PerkingFaintly · 18/05/2017 10:34

Just a quick warning to everyone: check your cookies.

For the second time in the last few weeks, I've found and deleted Breitbart cookies on my computer.

I haven't visited Breitbart, so they must be coming from some other site. Links on these threads are the most likely source. I'm going to try to identify which site.

Meanwhile it's general good housekeeping to check and delete unwanted cookies every now and then. (You can clear all if you don't mind manually logging back in to MN and your other favourite sites.)

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 10:37

Maggie Haberman‏Verified account @maggieNYT 2m2 minutes ago
How Trump Learned About the Special Counsel on Russia via @GlennThrush mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/us/politics/trump-fbi-mueller-rosenstein.html?_r=0&referer=

interesting comment about Kushner's reaction. It's looking increasingly like he is NOT a moderating factor at all, but more aggressive

OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/05/2017 10:40

thanks for the warning Perking. How unpleasant :(

OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/05/2017 10:45

yup. Breitbart on my ipad.

Lweji · 18/05/2017 10:46

Fox once again missing the point and diverting attention from their BFF.

Apparently, for Fox, we don't exist either. Because this is a non-sexy scandal that nobody cares about. Never mind the Constitutional crisis.

It's the Daily Show.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/05/2017 10:49

quick question about cookies while we are on the subject. Cleared them all, this is my only tab I've been on, yet I now have these cookies:

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/05/2017 10:50

oops, forgot the question! What does that actually mean? That mn allows waitrose to place cookies on my ipad?

BiglyBadgers · 18/05/2017 11:00

it is probably advert tracking kitten.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/05/2017 11:00

Jay Kuo‏Verified account @nycjayjay 15h15 hours ago
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Remember when we had Obama's scandals to deal with?

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GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 11:06

Pain Yes, suddenly that tan suit doesn't seem like such a big deal. Grin Although to be fair, I liked the tan suit. Blush

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/05/2017 11:09

18 times red. That's pretty extensive.

Dan Diamond‏Verified account
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On "Face the Nation," @jdickerson pushes Pence: Did Trump campaign staff have any contact with Russia?

Pence scoffs. "Of course not."

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 11:10

The Independent‏Verified account @Independent 7m7 minutes ago
EU warns Donald Trump: Paris agreement on climate change is ‘irreversible and non-negotiable’
ind.pn/2pOj0Y1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/05/2017 11:12

Not a fan of the tan but he could wear mankinis every day if that's what it took for him to be back in office ignoring that it would be undemocratic at this point yada yada yada

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 11:24

Ted Lieu‏Verified account @tedlieu 22h22 hours ago
Perhaps Kushner feared he was under FBI investigation. He admitted falsifying his security clearance form by omitting meetings with Russians twitter.com/NorahODonnell/status/864807174479982592

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 11:25

Kyle Griffin‏Verified account @kylegriffin1 19h19 hours ago
Rep. Cummings: "The White House is obstructing our investigation...and refusing to provided not a single document." (via @MSNBC) pic.twitter.com/SLmLaeHbsZ

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 11:26

AFP news agency‏Verified account @AFP 28s28 seconds ago
#UPDATE Turkey calls for ouster of US envoy for anti-IS coalition u.afp.com/4m42

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 11:30

Michael Doyle‏Verified account @MichaelDoyle10 3m3 minutes ago
Wow. Must read by @VeraMBergen on Flynn, www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article151149647.html

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 11:34

The Resisterhood‏ @resisterhood 10h10 hours ago
Pence registered his own PAC today. Pretty unusual for a VP to do while in office, especially in the first term.
www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-17/pence-takes-steps-to-build-war-chest-as-white-house-stumbles?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 11:35

POLITICO‏Verified account @politico 9s9 seconds ago
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Trump to lunch with network anchors politi.co/2rtCbne

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 11:37

Jim Waterson‏Verified account @jimwaterson 6m6 minutes ago
Sky News break cover at corporate level, tells BuzzFeed they're sick of treatment by the Tory press operation. www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/sky-news-and-conservatives

Jim Waterson‏Verified account @jimwaterson 1m1 minute ago
Replying to @jimwaterson
Sky read out text from May's chief-of-staff and broke story of Boris being kept off campaign. Now making a stand. www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/sky-news-and-conservatives?utm_term=.dnxV31wl0#.siwA7nQv6

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 11:37

Claude Taylor‏ @TrueFactsStated 6m6 minutes ago
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  1. The MOE (Marshal Order of Execution) began yesterday afternoon (confirmed by NBC) is search and seizure in 10 physical locations in three 9 replies 74 retweets 148 likes Reply 9 Retweet 74
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  2. three jurisdictions. Aimed at documents, servers, computers, hard drives, telephones etc.