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This thread is about Trump. You didn't hear it from me. Trump cont

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Orlantina · 16/05/2017 19:50

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Only been 4 days since the last one.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/05/2017 06:28

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Hillary Clinton should not be given national security briefings in that she is a lose cannon with extraordinarily bad judgement & insticts.
1:57 am · 30 Jul 2016 from Denver, CO

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 18/05/2017 07:02

Two typos - obvious ones - in a single tweet. I think there is merit in the low literacy level theory for Trump.

Roussette · 18/05/2017 07:14

For me, though, I couldn't choose such a lesser person because I disliked the other candidate more This from Claws, so agree with it. I find it amazing that there are people out there like ayyylmao that can do this. Two wrongs don't make a right etc etc

It sounds like the appointment of Mueller is a good one. There's much out there saying he is a fair, strong man who won't be intimidated. Good

"Trump kept his notes from the Comey meeting as well" Hilarious!
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-james-comey-memo-twitter_us_591bef20e4b041db89655d4a

Lweji · 18/05/2017 07:16

Does he sound like an idiot when speaking at times? Yes.

The next question should be, then:
Is he an idiot? Yes.

As much as Hillary was bad, corrupt or irresponsible, Trump is at least 10x worse.

I'm ultimately cynical about politicians. Perhaps the least about Obama and he wasn't perfect.

But... Trump?

He embodies the worse from politicians and from outsiders.
Corruption and ignorance.

How can anyone not see that?

He's the worst non-alternative to Hillary that was on offer.

I'd be happy to be wrong about him and Russia. Sadly, if he is innocent, he's been doing his best to convince everyone otherwise.
At least just because of that sheer stupidity he should be kicked out.
He's lost all credibility outside and inside. He's a puppet for big finance and donours. He's a puppet for foreign leaders (willingly or not).
He's unstable. A bully. And clearly can't manage a team efficiently.
He can't manage to be tough or be diplomatic. He just randomly swings between the two and he's been highly amenable to clear manipulation by other leaders.

I'm struggling here to find something that he does well but can't really think of one.

Again.

Hillary wasn't a particularly good choice, but she wasn't the worst. By far.

Lweji · 18/05/2017 07:19

"Trump kept his notes from the Comey meeting as well" Hilarious

He probably means currency.

I'd love to see Trump's notes. They will be in that black marker he loves. Yuge notes.
Oh, maybe music notes.

Allington · 18/05/2017 07:21

Extraordinarily bad insects? Grin scary stuff.

Lweji · 18/05/2017 07:24

Trump to have off-the-record lunch with news anchors: report
Today.

Will he give them one or more scoops? Grin Wink

He IS the President that keeps on giving.
Says Colbert, all the way to the bank. $$$$

thehill.com/homenews/media/333924-trump-to-have-off-the-record-lunch-with-news-anchors-report?amp=1

Roussette · 18/05/2017 07:24

Doodles I think. I can't imagine he'd be capable of keeping notes. He doesn't read books, his signature looks like something a toddler would do, he is such an ignorant man. I despise the ignorance of him actually, which is an awful thing to say, but when little old me can sit here tapping away on my laptop and think 'I know more about world affairs than the POTUS', there is something very wrong...

Lweji · 18/05/2017 07:28

On a link, this Tweet is genius.

"Mexico agrees to pay for impreachment"

I can totally see them doing it.

twitter.com/ProudResister/status/864719132750741504/photo/1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/05/2017 07:59

Washington Post @washingtonpost
House majority leader told colleagues last year "I think Putin pays" Trump. Paul Ryan told them not to leak remarks.

Iain Martin @iainmartin1
Paul Ryan's quote on this tape is quite something: “No leaks...This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

M0stlyBowlingHedgehog · 18/05/2017 08:00

That transcript from the Washington Post of McCarthy and Ryan is eye-opening. But here's the thing - I think McCarthy's defence that he was just joking will fly. (I actually think he was joking, albeit the sort of awkward, half-terrified joke you tell about something that deep down you suspect is true and that suspicion is scaring the shit out of you - Freud would have a field-day!)

I think it's a good thing to remember what's actually required. A simple majority is enough to bring impeachment proceedings, but a 2/3 majority in Senate is required for them to go through. What is out there at the moment is a massive pile of circumstantial evidence. It stinks to high heaven. It would convince Democrats in Senate "on the balance of probabilities", but it wouldn't convince Republicans.

I don't know if US law has the beyond reasonable doubt/balance of probabilities distinction we have in the UK, or if it does what the standard is for impeachment proceedings. But I think it's a fair guess that it requires evidence that puts things "beyond reasonable doubt" in order to convince enough Republicans. And that doesn't mean transcripts which can (with a following wind and clapping the telescope to one's blind eye) be interpreted as a joke. It means bank transcripts, transactions, unpicking of webs of shell companies. It means leaking of classified information which can be shown to compromise sources and have clear impacts on US national interests.

I think our Trumper visitor in the middle of the night actually served as a useful reality check. At the moment, seen from the Republican end of the telescope, things look as the Clinton e-mail server did to a die-hard Democrat in the run up to the election: stupid things have been done, but there's no proof of actual leaking of classified information as a result, no evidence that it was done with malicious intent, nor evidence of real damage having been done as a result. So viewed from that end of the telescope, there's not enough to swing the Republicans in Senate.

And a rushed and failed impeachment would do more damage to the Democrats at the midterms than a long drawn out investigation which was still rumbling on - because voters would vote on the balance of probabilities, not on things being beyond reasonable doubt.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/05/2017 08:01

Sorry, its probably already been posted above but it's just so mind boggling. Not just Ryan's response but the fact that someone recorded it and leaked it on ththe same day that a special prosecutor was appointed. I think the dam might be bursting.

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 08:02

Jon Cooper @ JonCooperTweets
There's total confusion and panic in the WH tonight. Not just among Trump's staff but Pence's too. Real concern Pence will go down w/ Trump.

This is more real and significant than you think.

The Republicans always had Pence as the fall back guy if Trump went horribly wrong. Now it's starting to look that if it all comes tumbling down, it's going to take out a whole bunch of the republican administration. Who knew what and how are they implicated is relevant. It could destroy the Republican party. This is why them NOT impeaching earlier Trump starts to look stupid and why it now is likely they won't try to unless something else breaks because if Trump goes he brings down a whole load of the others.

Louise Mensch has been saying for some time the line of succession goes down to some fella called Orin Hatch. No I have no idea who he is either.

All this means is that it's going to be more, not less difficult to get rid of Trump because of those vested interests.

However a criminal investigation which reveals various dirt could collapse the house of cards if it can move quicker than the administration can to obstruct justice.

It gets messier by the day and the stakes get raised higher.

Will people squeal to save their own necks? Will Trump be able to decapitate the investigation and press reporting of what's going on?

Lweji · 18/05/2017 08:06

Vive la France et Macron.

Half his cabinet is female and he got people from all political sides.

Take notes, Trump.

twitter.com/CNN/status/865031942676336640

MsHooliesCardigan · 18/05/2017 08:07

Re DT's claim that no politician has been treated as badly as him. Er... Nelson Mandela?

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 08:14

And a rushed and failed impeachment would do more damage to the Democrats at the midterms than a long drawn out investigation which was still rumbling on - because voters would vote on the balance of probabilities, not on things being beyond reasonable doubt.

This. But it's not just about pure impeachment. It's also about a criminal investigation and and independent investigation too. This has several routes. All of which Trump will try and close down (how he tries to do this important - it will be authoritarian) and all of which could backfire spectacularly and endanger the USA in the process, if they fail to convince the US public as being creditable and biased. Trump will play the victim to fuel that and the Trump press will do everything to fuel that to save their own necks.

If this starts to run into protests on the streets that opens things up to martial law and civil unrest. That could put the US pretty much on the brink of civil war especially if it ends up being race related or based in certain cities with the US national guard sent in. Though whether the national guard would stay loyal to Trump is open to question.

I've said from day one after Trump was elected that the potential for all this was very much a reality due the divisions in US society. That threat to my mind isn't going away and indeed it's starting to crystallise into becoming a likely scenario. It's not a certainty by any means yet, but as this progresses and more people are drawn into it the more like cornered rats they will become.

TheClaws · 18/05/2017 08:17

Oh, that's good, MrsHoolies!

MrsT2007 · 18/05/2017 08:24

Pretty sure Trump has had it quite good so far!

Interesting ponder:

Rumour around that Obama foresaw and foreplanned this scenario and has been involved in contingency planning with Bush Jr in the case that the republican government is totally kiboshed that they could potentially step in as bipartisan boss to help steady the ship.

Mueller was appointed by Bush, and worked with Obama too.

Wonder if Bob M has been kept up to speed at all?

Lweji · 18/05/2017 08:40

Re DT's claim that no politician has been treated as badly as him

One of our former PMs, in Portugal, spent years in jail, after his term, for accusations of corruption. He hasn't be tried yet, if ever.

Lweji · 18/05/2017 08:40

... been tried...

Orlantina · 18/05/2017 08:40

The best way to remove Trump is from within. Rather than face impeachment, it has to come from the GOP itself and its supporters. When faced with attack, groups come together to support their leader.
But when faced with internal concerns, groups can tear themselves apart.

(See Captain America - the Winter soldier as a plot reference Grin)

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Lweji · 18/05/2017 08:43

Indeed, Orlantina, and not just because their votes are needed in Congress.

I do think they are letting him sink. Republicans never liked him.

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 08:52

Bush Jr in the case that the republican government is totally kiboshed that they could potentially step in as bipartisan boss to help steady the ship

Jeb Bush is totally clean and stood up against Trump.

SanFranBear · 18/05/2017 08:52

I actually think ayyylmao's post was helpful for another reason as well. I think it highlights how Trump supporters are just regular, decent people too.

I do hope you mean it when you say that if there does prove to be evidence, you'll be the first to apologise. I obviously think the whole thing stinks but the point made up thread about how I felt about Hillary's emails does explain very well why you believe the Russian connection is baloney.

I guess time will tell - believe it or not, as much as I dislike Scrotus, I don't want the US to fail.

GingerIvy · 18/05/2017 08:55

The Independent‏Verified account @Independent 2h2 hours ago
China 'asking for DNA from all Muslims' ind.pn/2pJjEWS

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