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This thread is about Trump. You didn't hear it from me. Trump cont

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Orlantina · 16/05/2017 19:50

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2927686-This-thread-is-fired-Terminated-Trump-cont

Only been 4 days since the last one.

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GingerIvy · 17/05/2017 09:14

Caroline O.‏ @RVAwonk 9h9 hours ago
Aaaand there it is --> Former Mossad chief says Israel will "think twice" before sharing sensitive info with U.S. www.cbsnews.com/news/former-mossad-chief-israel-will-think-twice-before-sharing-sensitive-info

GingerIvy · 17/05/2017 09:15

Telegraph World News‏Verified account @TelegraphWorld 42s43 seconds ago
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Erdogan's bodyguards in violent clash with protesters in Washington, leaving nine injured www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/17/erdogans-bodyguards-violent-clash-protesters-washington-leaving/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

GingerIvy · 17/05/2017 09:17

The Independent‏Verified account @Independent 8m8 minutes ago
Donald Trump to deliver 'inspiring' speech on Islam to 50 Muslim leaders in Saudi Arabia ind.pn/2qsQdFE

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd like to see him removed from office PRIOR to this speech. God only knows what he'll say.

GingerIvy · 17/05/2017 09:23

Reuters Top News‏Verified account @Reuters 1m1 minute ago
South Korea's Moon says 'high possibility' of conflict with North as missile crisis builds reut.rs/2pTfVSs

Gumpendorf · 17/05/2017 09:32

Wow! Thanks for the new thread and there's a lot to catch up.

ChasedByBees · 17/05/2017 09:35

I just don't get it - what does he have to do to get impeached?

Lweji · 17/05/2017 09:40

Donald Trump to deliver 'inspiring' speech on Islam to 50 Muslim leaders in Saudi Arabia

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd like to see him removed from office PRIOR to this speech. God only knows what he'll say.

I assume he'll take a written speech. It's the ad libs that I'm mostly worried about.

Lweji · 17/05/2017 09:44

I imagine Pence is already plotting behind the scenes and just waiting for the right moment to pounce.

Probably. I think I mentioned it before. GOP can well be letting him sink to his worst and be waiting for him to alienate his base. Then they'll strike.

Lweji · 17/05/2017 09:50

CNN‏Verified account @CNN 6h6 hours ago
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Kasich: When I didn’t endorse Trump, I got pounded. I didn’t feel bad about it. "Sometimes your party asks too much"

twitter.com/CNN/status/864673247719075840

I wish he was President (I mean, if it had to be a Republican).

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CNN‏Verified account @CNN 2h2 hours ago
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America faces a fateful choice: Does it believe Donald Trump or James Comey? | Analysis by @StCollinson cnn.it/2qqsZlb

Lweji · 17/05/2017 10:00

Also... from the previous link.

Already, Rep. Jason Chaffetz, Republican chairman of the House Oversight Committee, has asked the FBI to provide "all memoranda, notes, summaries, and recordings referring to or relating to any communications between Comey and the president."
"I have my subpoena pen ready," Chaffetz tweeted on Tuesday.

Jason Chaffetz ✔ @jasoninthehouse
.@GOPoversight is going to get the Comey memo, if it exists. I need to see it sooner rather than later. I have my subpoena pen ready.
11:58 PM - 16 May 2017

WestleyAndButtockUp · 17/05/2017 10:00

"what does he have to do to get impeached?"

He has to make the Republican congressmen and senators be willing to bring about his impeachment. they're not there yet. but they're the only ones who can start the impeachment process. because they control both houses.

and don't forget, impeachment does not mean removal from office. As a Trump-voting relative said to me, 'Who cares if he's impeached? He can just ignore it and carry on, like Bill Clinton did.'

He's unpopular, but he hasn't yet lost his base.

Dumdedumdedum · 17/05/2017 10:08

Is impeachment the only legal way to remove him from office, then? I'm afraid I've probably asked that before, but have Alzheimer's Lite and don't recall the answer.
Also, I know this is ancient history in Trump terms, and probably can't be revisited, except in my wishful thinking, but doesn't Comey's being fired bring into question the way his leaking of the FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails was probably a major factor in her losing the election? I call FAKE ELECTION Grin

Lweji · 17/05/2017 10:10

Any impeachment has to be confirmed by the Senate, that's why Clinton stayed as president. He was acquitted by the Senate.

"The removal of impeached officials is automatic upon conviction in the Senate."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States

WestleyAndButtockUp · 17/05/2017 10:19

The other way is the 25th Amendment, passed after people wondered what would have happened if JFK had been incapacitated but not killed.

The Vice President and 15(?) major cabinet members can declare the President unfit to carry out his office. And that's it. He'd be gone.

Unless he protested. If he stated his intention to carry on, two-thirds of elected officials (just the Senate? Or Congress as well?) would have to approve the Cabinet's action.

Lweji · 17/05/2017 10:21

There is a second possibility, which has been discussed a few times since he was elected.

The 25th amendment allows the Administration and Congress to replace him without impeachment or even medical opinion.

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

time.com/4692507/congress-remove-donald-trump-impeachment/

hackmum · 17/05/2017 10:23

"The Vice President and 15(?) major cabinet members can declare the President unfit to carry out his office."

That's a tantalising prospect, Westley!

I think the other possibility is that all his close associates put pressure on him to resign, and that gives him a dignified way out, citing medical grounds or similar. I think someone already suggested this upthread, but it seems the most likely option to me - assuming Trump has the basic level of intelligence required to understand that it's the best option.

WestleyAndButtockUp · 17/05/2017 10:24

Ross Dothat, in the New York Times: "It is an argument, instead, for using a constitutional mechanism more appropriate to this strange situation than impeachment: the 25th Amendment to the Constitution, which allows for the removal of the president if a majority of the cabinet informs the Congress that he is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office” and (should the president contest his own removal) a two-thirds vote by Congress confirms the cabinet’s judgment.

The Trump situation is not exactly the sort that the amendment’s Cold War-era designers were envisioning. He has not endured an assassination attempt or suffered a stroke or fallen prey to Alzheimer’s. But his incapacity to really govern, to truly execute the serious duties that fall to him to carry out, is nevertheless testified to daily — not by his enemies or external critics, but by precisely the men and women whom the Constitution asks to stand in judgment on him, the men and women who serve around him in the White House and the cabinet.

Read the things that these people, members of his inner circle, his personally selected appointees, say daily through anonymous quotations to the press. (And I assure you they say worse off the record.) They have no respect for him, indeed they seem to palpate with contempt for him, and to regard their mission as equivalent to being stewards for a syphilitic emperor.

It is not squishy New York Times conservatives who regard the president as a child, an intellectual void, a hopeless case, a threat to national security; it is people who are self-selected loyalists, who supported him in the campaign, who daily go to work for him. And all this, in the fourth month of his administration.

This will not get better. It could easily get worse. "

Lweji · 17/05/2017 10:24

This is what happens if the President disagrees:

"Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office."

cozietoesie · 17/05/2017 10:29

Yes, Ginger.

I've been keeping my eye on the military situation.

Orlantina · 17/05/2017 10:50

"The Vice President and 15(?) major cabinet members can declare the President unfit to carry out his office

I'm sure I've seen that in a film.

Like Mutiny on the Bounty.

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Orlantina · 17/05/2017 10:53

You know that military officers can replace the CO if they feel he is unfit for office?

This might happen

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/05/2017 11:19

Jason Chaffetz @jasoninthehouse

.@GOPoversight is going to get the Comey memo, if it exists. I need to see it sooner rather than later. I have my subpoena pen ready.

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teaandbiscuitsforme · 17/05/2017 11:27

Long time lurker here, trying to keep up! Thank you to all of you who are sharing all that you find.

Is there any situation where an election would need to be held? Or does the presidency stay within the GOP whatever until the next scheduled election?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/05/2017 11:30

Alex Spence @alexGspence
.@SamCoatesTimes asks May if she has full confidence in Donald Trump given Russia situation. She doesn't quite say yes.

cozietoesie · 17/05/2017 11:35

To cheer people up.

After a fashion. Wink