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AIBU to be so angry?

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LostandConfused24 · 16/05/2017 08:30

This is going to be a bit long so I apologise in advance.

My DD and I moved from overseas to be with my DH as he wanted to start fresh in his home country. I was fine with this as I hadn't done much traveling in my life and thought it would be a good experience.

However since moving here he has started a new career and it seems he doesn't know how to turn it off or create a balance. At first I put this off as to just being it's his first real job and he wants to do well and that he would learn to balance.

We then learn that we were expecting DS. All fine and dandy apart from work issues again, but once again I also put this off to wanting to get everything sorted before he took paternity leave when our son was born etc.

A few weeks after DS is born my DH is offered a promotion that will take him out of the house more, take him away on numerous overnights a month, and is barely a pay increase whatsoever after taxes. I told him I did not think it was the best time to be taking a new role like this as we were struggling within our marriage and just had our DS and already had DD (toddler) at home. He took the job anyway without discussing anything with me or telling me any details. It was just a temporary cover so I was annoyed but got over it as he kept insisting it would benefit everyone and move him forward in the business.

A few months down the line we are fighting all the time, but only related to work issues such as never turning off, coming home hours late, and him being gone 25-50% of the month on these overnights. They then decide to offer him the role full time but say we have to move to a bigger city area.

I was fine with this move because we would be closer to certain people and there were more opportunities and things for kids and I to do in bigger city. We started to see somebody together to talk about issues and it seemed to be going a bit better. Just the occasional fight here and there, still work related. But it really seemed he was starting to listen to me and understand why I was upset about certain things and I did try to be more understanding if work things came up.

Fast forward again a few months and he's offered another promotion that required another move. I expressed that I did not want him to take it. I didn't think we were in the best place to be moving and for him to be taking on more at work. However this was ignored and he took it anyway as he wants to move forward. He sold the job off to me as that he would be only working set hours (9-5 M-F), wouldn't have to be away on overnights, and we would live close to work so he would be able to get home earlier. There really wasn't a take home pay increase after tax so we aren't really any better off.

Now we're in new house and role has started. We moved in over a weekend and he started following Monday, normal and fine. The first two nights of the job they have him out for dinners until 930-10pm. This means he did not see our kids at all these days. There have been even more of these since. Multiple a week. These are not work required, just socialising with each other. Once in a while I wouldn't mind but all the time is just taking the piss IMO.

As well as this, even though he starts at 9 he leaves everyday at 730 to get there by 8 and insists everyone does this. I told him everyone isn't in the same situation as we are and I would like if he had breakfast with us/spent time with kids in morning. This was ignored and he's said he will be leaving at 730 every morning to get to office at 8. I said then I want him to leave work on time, as he's been leaving more than an hour and a half after work ends everyday, again same excuse that everyone else does this.

He spends very little time with the kids, and as a SAHM (because we can't afford childcare) I never get a break or time to myself and I'm so exhausted all the time. He's home on weekends, but he just wants to relax at that point so it isn't much help. He's more of the "fun" parent so I'm still stuck changing, feeding, and cleaning kids. I feel like he's leaving us in the dust for his career and that I really have no say in my own life.

He is at times really great and we only fight when it comes down to family versus work situations but he never sees my side of things. I feel like I'm just expected to give and give and I just don't think I have anything left.

We had a huge row this morning and he just refuses to listen to anything I'm saying and just tries to turn it into something else or just tries to walk out of house to ignore me. I know violence is never the answer but I'm at my breaking point and I'm so tired of being ignored and left behind and I smacked him on the back today as he was trying to walk away from me.

I know I was BU to smack him, I feel crappy about it. But AIBU to be this fed up? If I wanted to raise the kids alone I would have just stayed in my country closer to my family where I had support.

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LostandConfused24 · 16/05/2017 10:30

@jacks11 thank you for that honestly. He doesn't need to be the sole earner and him staying extra hours does not make him earn more money. They've just created this role for him so I doubt he'll be moved up or down anytime soon. If he were to come home at a decent time I would maybe be able to work night shifts somewhere or take night classes as my qualifications from where I am from are not really the same as here.
If he were to think about somebody else I could have something to do with my life and he could have time with the kids.

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LovelyLittleThingsReally · 16/05/2017 10:30

when we argue he makes a point that it's "his" money and "his" house etc.

Yeah - that needs to STOP. You are saving a massive childcare bill by looking after the DC, and facilitating his stupidly long hours working culture.

icanteven · 16/05/2017 10:31

I've vented to some of my friends about this back home and they think it seems as though he wants me to be trapped and rely on him. Like he's almost getting off on having the control and power.

Well, it's the UK, not Saudi Arabia. You're not trapped in the sense of being unable to work, leave the house, communicate with the locals etc.

Your frustration and disappointment is understandable, and it's infuriating that you can't just turn around and go home - I know two American women who came to the UK, had children with their British husbands and then broke up.

One went back to the US (court battle ensued, she won) and the other opted to stay here (albeit reluctantly at first) and crack on with her life and is doing very well.

However, you're here now and you have to make the best of it. You're not trapped in the slightest, although you have been massively let down. Let down so much that you should leave him? Only you can really know that. But you have the power to change your situation even if you decide to stay with him.

LostandConfused24 · 16/05/2017 10:32

@LovelyLittleThingsReally and it's not like I'm making the choice to be a SAHM. I want to be out working and doing something with my life. I love the kids and love spending time with them but why don't I deserve a chance to do something for me?

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MissFire17 · 16/05/2017 10:32

I really feel for you OP 💐.
I also am from another country, and married to a uk citizen. I understand how hard it is to be away from your family, especially with young children.
I can't really offer you any relationship advice, but in terms of the citizenship issues, I can offer help.
Firstly, regardless of where the children are born, if your DH is a British citizen, both your children automatically qualify for British citizenship. You would need to apply for it, but the process is fairly easy and not expensive. My DD, who was born here, has dual citizenship. Some countries won't let you do that, so it would depend on what your home country is.
Secondly, if your children have uk citizenship, you need to research your visa, and look into changing it for indefinite leave to remain. You should qualify based on your children. You don't need to become a uk citizen to have equal rights here.
Lastly, I would just ask, what support could your DH's family offer, if any? My in laws have been great, and help me through the emotional times when my knee jerk reaction is to want to go home to my family. Life is hard work, and you need support in rl, if not from his family then definitely from local mums/friends.

Increasinglymiddleaged · 16/05/2017 10:33

It's normal for some men to want to further their careers. Yes it can be lonely - but the opposite is having a man around with no ambition and a low earning power - which can be equally frustrating

It's also normal for some women to want to further their careers. Some of the responses on this thread are like something from the 1950s - your man is a good earner put up and shut up. Move when told, let him control your life entirely Angry

I couldn't live like you are living OP whatever DH was earning.

LostandConfused24 · 16/05/2017 10:37

@MissFire17 my DH step mum is absolutely amazing, she works and often makes trips to see her family who live away from her, but when she has free time she takes the kids and I out for a day or so. Doesn't give me much of a break but it's nice to talk to someone who understands and knows my DH and what he's like. And the kids adore her.

My FIL is kind of like my DH. Very work oriented. Family isn't that important to him etc. My DH hated him for it growing up but now is the same so that's interesting.

My MIL is the worst. She lives an hour away but makes absolutely no effort whatsoever. She's seen the kids maybe 4 times since we've lived here. Never visited my DH when he lived abroad for 10 years. It's just crap.

Where we lived last I was really close to his family that lived around there so I was really sad to move away.

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BluePeppers · 16/05/2017 10:38

If he has an issue with his money and his house, then I would start working again (very good advice from MissFire re the indefinite leave to remain).
Any childcare coist will come out from BOTH your wages so this will again be YOUR house and YOUR money.

However, I suspect he will make it harder for you by being out or coming back home late or generally being unreliable to do anything with the dcs and picking them up and so on. :(
Which means that your ur friends back home might well be right (or he is just a prick that has reverted back to norm as soon as he came back to the uk)

LovelyLittleThingsReally · 16/05/2017 10:42

but why don't I deserve a chance to do something for me?

Absolutely you do! Totally didn't mean to imply otherwise.

LostandConfused24 · 16/05/2017 10:43

@LovelyLittleThingsReally sorry! Wasn't implying you did lol more of an out loud question

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Increasinglymiddleaged · 16/05/2017 10:45

However, I suspect he will make it harder for you by being out or coming back home late or generally being unreliable to do anything with the dcs and picking them up and so on.

Yep, me too.

LovelyLittleThingsReally · 16/05/2017 10:46

Thanks OP, keep up with the job hunting - things are tough in the UK at the moment. I really hope you feel happier soon. It can be awful stuck at home with young children, feeling resentful, while the husbands out building a career, socialising, having his cake and eating it.

LostandConfused24 · 16/05/2017 10:48

He would sit there in counselling and completely sell that he understood and wanted us to be okay and was going to make the effort.
Then when we're home he doesn't listen, completely acts as though he doesn't understand or doesn't care to, and does the same things.
I don't get how someone can do that.

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danTDM · 16/05/2017 10:50

Dear God
Until you have walked a mile in the posters shoes...
I am like you OP trapped. Nothing I can do as DD born here.

I thought I was moving with a man who loved me.
No suggestions I am afraid. Would welcome them. Just complete empathyFlowers

LostandConfused24 · 16/05/2017 10:52

@danTDM I'm so sorry you're in the same boat. It feels absolutely terrible. You can always vent to me!

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BorisTrumpsHair · 16/05/2017 10:54

they think it seems as though he wants me to be trapped and rely on him. Like he's almost getting off on having the control and power.

Reading what you have posted here OP, this is my conclusion as well.

Either you stay and try and improve things, or you start to make plans to leave. Stop saying "I can't I can't" - once you decide what you want, and start to say "I can" you will find a way. And MN will help you plan that.

You are having a really tough time Flowers

teapotter · 16/05/2017 10:57

Op you say "My FIL is kind of like my DH. Very work oriented." Have you raised this with him. My DH didn't want to be like his dad but didn't know how to do any different. It took a lot of encouragement and hand holding to teach him to play with the kids, feed them etc. If he gets too work obsessed I remind him he's being like his dad. Keep trying to find a balance that works for you and your family.

BorisTrumpsHair · 16/05/2017 10:57

I don't get how someone can do that.
Because he can.

I know that is tough to hear, but its the truth.

Don't waste any more time trying to figure him out. It really is as simple as he does it because he can and feels OK about that. That is shocking to kind, empathetic people who believe in cooperation and partnership, building a life together etc - nevertheless it is true.

Look to his actions not his words.

LostandConfused24 · 16/05/2017 10:59

@teapotter we talked about it in counselling. I think he knows some of it comes back to his dad and his childhood but shuts down when anyone tries to approach the subject. His dad is very successful now so I'm not sure if he would see it as a bad thing anymore Sad

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danTDM · 16/05/2017 11:07

lost ot much you can do.

I am literally biding my time till DD is 18.
You have no rights until then.

It is so annoying, I get the 'I wouldn't put up with that'

'Leave'
Do the best for your DD (AS IF I DON'T)
Get a job.
ALL the time.
Well, you have to, put up with it. End of. It is a living hell. Sad

danTDM · 16/05/2017 11:08

Boris is right, I am afraid.

LostandConfused24 · 16/05/2017 11:09

@danTDM I've gotten "just use him for the money and live your own life" but we have no spare money! Plus, I'm the type of person that likes to earn and provide for myself. I feel better when I've bought myself something and worked hard for it than if someone has gotten it for me.
I don't like relying on him for anything especially since he is so unreliable.

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BorisTrumpsHair · 16/05/2017 11:11

I think he knows some of it comes back to his dad and his childhood but shuts down when anyone tries to approach the subject.

Even if he went to counselling and eventually got to a place where he says "oh XYZ is because of my relationship to my dad and my childhood" - so what? Nothing will change. Acknowledgement does NOT equal "cure". Its not going to change or alter your situation OP.

Happyfeet1972 · 16/05/2017 11:12

He sounds awful OP. How dare he unilaterally continually make decisions that impact your life knowing that you were against them. If he wants something different to you, the way to go about it in a partnership is to discuss for it and look for a compromise. Only single people can do what they want all the time without discussion. He sounds like he has very little respect for you.

IMO you should look for work if that's possible..it will stop you being reliant financially on him and hopefully decrease your feeling out of control and isolated. And if you can't afford childcare, that's something that needs to come from both of your salaries. I wouldn't even discuss it with him, present it once you've got a job offer...like he does to you.

So angry just reading this. My relationship is by no means perfect but I'm in control of how I spend my time and where I choose to live. Funnily enough I want to move and DP doesn't....so we've discussed it, I didn't just accept a job in a new location.

danTDM · 16/05/2017 11:12

lost
Snap!

I WANT a job, I WANT a life. But I am not in my own country!

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