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To think Theresa May looks rattled

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WhoIsRonniePickering · 15/05/2017 22:37

I watched the interview she gave on BBC News. She looked nervous and shaky. Do you think she's now thinking she's made a massive mistake and misjudged the Corbyn juggernaut? She looked like she was thinking "fcccccccccccccck."

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Dragongirl10 · 18/05/2017 10:36

Corbyn...slow painful boring train crash rather than Juggernaut.....

Justanotherlurker · 18/05/2017 10:39

This is not an attack on you at all.....but isn't it time we got rid of this label?

But it is essentially unskilled labour, it's not a crass statement.

Unskilled will be the first to go when the crossover of wages/automation makes sense

makeourfuture · 18/05/2017 10:39

Red. It is going to get bad if we continue down the path we are on.

Why not focus on growth and success? Why make this dingy, chilling austerity our goal?

I17neednumbers · 18/05/2017 10:42

"unskilled labour

This is not an attack on you at all.....but isn't it time we got rid of this label?"

Actually - I agree with you make!

Had started out saying lowskilled, but I'm not sure that is quite right either.

But I think you are right about that.

takesnoprisoners · 18/05/2017 10:48

Corbyn Juggernaut!! 😂😂 Oh, the delusions!

NoLotteryWinYet · 18/05/2017 10:50

i'm not sure what a nicer sounding term would be, that's my ignorance. The low-waged? It wasn't meant in a pejorative sense, my point was to highlight that technology destroys more jobs than it creates, even if some better quality jobs end up being created.

Some of the reason people have started voting for extremist parties like UKIP is believed to be because of the decline in living standards for people working in jobs like truck driving, warehousing etc who've found pay and conditions continually eroded since the 70s.

The current growth area for low-waged jobs is in care.

Technology creates better quality jobs but it doesn't help those that can't access them.

I17neednumbers · 18/05/2017 10:54

"Technology creates better quality jobs but it doesn't help those that can't access them."

Yes it is in a way an eternal problem - the weavers destroying the weaving machines the most famous example. How do you ensure the weavers can continue in productive employment? UBI is one suggestion, but I think most people do want to work for pay.

makeourfuture · 18/05/2017 10:55

O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, go away " ;
But it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 18/05/2017 10:56

This is not an attack on you at all.....but isn't it time we got rid of this label?

Yes it should be got rid of but your point may have been better if you didn't use terms like 'poor children' and 'the old' yourself.

NoLotteryWinYet · 18/05/2017 11:08

unhappy terms aside (apologies), money being spent on nursery, primary and secondary education to ensure people get the best skill level they're capable of always seems the best use of it to me. If we don't help people in the 0-18 year range, it only gets harder and harder to fix that.

I think we're already at that point, deficit wise, where all these means-tested changes make sense if it means we can funnel the money to education instead.

StiffyByng · 20/05/2017 08:27

Current informed predictions are that we will have lost around 50% of current 'jobs' by circa 2050. Globalisation and automation will be the cause, and the only feasible way forward will be a universal income, as Finland is currently piloting.

The failure of any high profile politician to start acknowledging this and addressing it is to my mind one of the reasons we have such political alienation now. People may not actually know this is on the horizon but they can sense it. It's inevitable that you are uneasy when low skilled jobs are disappearing all around you with nothing to replace them, and it's easy to blame immigration, as a visible change, when no one is willing to admit that the entire world is changing.

scaryclown · 20/05/2017 09:33

You know those 'jobs' where people have seminars on sustainability or are 'good behaviour champions' or whatever...why do they stay when actual doing jobs are being paid f-all?

RedToothBrush · 21/05/2017 09:46

The failure of any high profile politician to start acknowledging this and addressing it is to my mind one of the reasons we have such political alienation now. People may not actually know this is on the horizon but they can sense it. It's inevitable that you are uneasy when low skilled jobs are disappearing all around you with nothing to replace them, and it's easy to blame immigration, as a visible change, when no one is willing to admit that the entire world is changing.

People who don't like change try to stop it rather than understand it.

This always has an inevitable conclusion as King Knut found out. Failure to adapt and be pragmatic about change leaves you to drown.

It's that simple.

The population of the world is increasing. It doesn't necessarily matter how many of those are on our island. We are going to hit a problem at some point. Stopping people coming here just creates pressure elsewhere that we will not escape ultimately. Whether it be to create conflict, drive prices up, reduce our competitiveness etc etc.

But yes Brexit. [Hmm]
The ultimate denial that the world is changing and we want to stop it all.

Peregrina · 21/05/2017 19:04

This always has an inevitable conclusion as King Knut found out.

I was led to believe that he had been maligned here - he was trying to show he wasn't invincible, and even he, as King, couldn't stop the tide.

Theresa May would have been a bit uncomfortable in my church this morning - one or two hard hitting statements about caring for all were made. Having said that, I think she really believes the stuff she spouts; it's just that there is a complete disconnect between her words and her actions.

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WhoIsRonniePickering · 22/05/2017 07:02

The polls are narrowing. Do not underestimate Corbyn. A lot of people like him.

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 22/05/2017 07:06

The polls are narrowing. Do not underestimate Corbyn

Not anywhere near enough. It would still give they a very significant majority. Same thing happened in 1983. We all know how that ended.

In fact the polls narrowing helps the Tories as it tends to get their vote out.

CCHQ haven't even started on him yet.

A lot of people like him.

A lot of people don't.

Bluntness100 · 22/05/2017 07:11

Corbyn juggernaut. Are you Diane abbot? 😂😂😂

NoLotteryWinYet · 22/05/2017 10:16

yes, although I'm not sure about the care change yet, I don't think it's awful and labour were going to take more in IHT in any case.

The fact the tories were willing to gamble some seats to move spending onto a more sustainable footing hasn't made me think Corbyn is magically the better option. Ending the triple-lock was the right thing to do.

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WhoIsRonniePickering · 22/05/2017 11:31

Well, this morning's news about abolishing tuition fees in September has angered me as it's a cheap shot for cheap votes with no thought how it will be executed.

Corbyn is forcing me to vote Tory now and I despise him more than i hate myself.

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The80sweregreat · 22/05/2017 11:40

I heard someone today saying its a cheap shot moving the date for tuition fees to be abolished this year . i can see their point, but the tories havent really played fair by calling an election ( and changing the rules about how long till they could call an election) and stalling on brexit ( whatever your views on that one, it was the Tories that wanted the referendum) and letting Scottish young adults not pay tuition fees, but the english ones can ( not anti anyone here, but it strikes me as bit unfair all the same) The labour party have costed this out from what i have heard and yes, it may be a cynical move, but nothing worse than anything the Tories have been up the last 7 years with austerity cuts and stupid referendums they didnt need to do ( and where has that got us?) i can see both sides, but you cant blame them for coming up with this really - they still wont win it, but i can see why they think it might be a vote winner! Politics is a dirty game.

NoLotteryWinYet · 22/05/2017 11:44

yes, a race to the bottom alright. Vince Cable on Question Time was excellent about how all parties have made fools of themselves over tuition fees.

I suppose nobody remembers how underfunded universities were before tuition fees came in either?

Just please, if you vote Corbyn over tuition fees, don't kid yourself you are morally superior, it is not helping the poor, it helps people like me that could afford to pay anyway.

juneau · 22/05/2017 11:55

There is no 'Corbyn juggernaut'. There are some people that will always vote Labour, no matter who is in charge, but from what I've seen, read and heard the Tories are going to walk it. As someone who is anti-Brexit though and particularly anti hard Brexit I sincerely hope that Labour and the Lib Dems do okay. We really need a decent opposition. It isn't good to have one party with total control, whichever party is it. Democracy only works well when more than one viewpoint is strongly represented. I just wish the Lib Dems looked stronger. They are the party that best represents what I believe in.

juneau · 22/05/2017 12:40

Just please, if you vote Corbyn over tuition fees, don't kid yourself you are morally superior, it is not helping the poor, it helps people like me that could afford to pay anyway.

Sorry, but this is ignorant bollocks. You went to uni since tuition fees were brought in BECAUSE YOU COULD AFFORD IT. There are many, many young people who have never been to uni simply because without their degree being free THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO GO. So you think they don't exist, because you never met any of them!

One of my friends at uni in the early 1990s was on a full grant. He lived with his single mum in a tiny council flat. Without a free degree and a full grant university would've been out of the question for him, yet he was one of the brightest people I've ever met and he went on to get a PhD. Nowadays, he wouldn't be going to university, it's as simple as that.

NoLotteryWinYet · 22/05/2017 12:46

the research doesn't show that fees discourage access. What discourages access is poor primary and secondary education.

If they exist, where's the research that shows this?

I was sponsored by a charity at university...but it wasn't marginal, my parents were broke but I would've gone either way juneau as I was smart enough to realise that a degree costs money as it makes you more money over the course of your life.