To think Theresa May looks rattled

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I watched the interview she gave on BBC News. She looked nervous and shaky. Do you think she's now thinking she's made a massive mistake and misjudged the Corbyn juggernaut? She looked like she was thinking "fcccccccccccccck."

I know NHS staff and police officers who are voting Labour. The Manifesto is saying what people want to hear.

Just like there will be those in those professions that will vote LibDem and Tory.

Saying 'what people want to hear' and it being achievable and affordable are two different things.

It's so depressing. Whichever way you vote there's just crap as far as the eye can see and neither May nor Corbyn have what it takes to try find the best solutions to the really serious things such as the Brexit deal, NHS funding and social care and benefits . I firmly believe we are flipping doomed whoever we get . I want to vote labour but I can't. I am not voting conservative. Just leaves lib dem and that's a waste of a vote round here . Sad and scary.

Re the 1000's turning up for Corbyn, but only a few turning up for May that didn't even go into double figures... A colleague of mine today suggested the reason for that was that The Conservatives supporters were at work! 😂😂😂

BACK of the net!

A colleague of mine today suggested the reason for that was that The Conservatives supporters were at work!

Cons have way more retired supporters than Labour. Retired but perfectly mobile, healthy and able to attend a political rally in the middle of the day during the week.

Whoooosh ^^^^

Dislike the tories and no fan of TM, but this election is theirs.
The lady who called her out on the cuts has my respect. It wont stop people voting conservative though.

My 67 year old DH (who has never voted Tory in his life) has just been denied a home assessment for his DLA to PIP transfer. He is too ill to travel to an assessment centre , he has ischemic heart disease , emphysema and gets very breathless.

He has not been outside our home town for years. He uses a mobility scooter and ATOS are telling him to get several buses!

It's so depressing. Whichever way you vote there's just crap as far as the eye can see and neither May nor Corbyn have what it takes to try find the best solutions to the really serious things such as the Brexit deal, NHS funding and social care and benefits . I firmly believe we are flipping doomed whoever we get . I want to vote labour but I can't. I am not voting conservative. Just leaves lib dem and that's a waste of a vote round here . Sad and scary.

Hearing that from so many. There is much that is ironic in that. If people voted with their hearts what would happen.

Its also exactly what both the Labour Party and the Cons want you think. Its their election strategy as both were afraid of getting squeezed by the LD vote. And that WAS what was happening - people were voting LD rather than Labour and the Cons because that what they WANT rather than what their intent currently is now: to vote a particular way out of fear.

Everyone's been duped ultimately and Lynton Crosby wins again. The power of the media.

"It's May v Corbyn" was never really about fear of Corbyn. It was about marginalising the LDs who posed the biggest threat to the Conservative vote in many respects - not just in the number of seats they got but also in keeping the debate in the centre ground. The Cons want to create this 'new centre' crap (its not a centre, its normalising the right and moving the overton window. Important to know the difference). They want to keep the LD vote down in the popular vote to make the argument for that.

This is why a vote for the LDs does not necessarily mean its a wasted vote, even if they have no chance of winning. If they fail to get a good vote share it affects the airtime the centre will get on television. If they fail to get a good vote share they could lose a lot of money they can not afford and that could kill the party off that way.

The tactic of May v Corbyn is about killing off the LD, as they already regard Labour as effectively dead as opposition as the do not fear Corbyn's leader and even after the election the party will still be in chaos and unable to strike any moral political victories in the media against Brexit. This will allow Hard Brexit without any accountability to progress at its full gory worst, together with all the language of the right that accompanies it.

I'm very fearful of the future for anyone in this country who isn't well off, doesn't own a house or has health problems.

In the course of my work I've seen first hand the dreadful effects of the austerity cuts, and when the Tories get a decent majority (which I'm sure they will) there'll be no stopping them.

The recessions of the 80s and early 90s will look like a time of plenty compared to what's coming.

HelenaDove, that's awful

I had the same Helena it's awful.

Yes, agree with what RedToothbrush said about the LDs.
I keep hearing people say in my constituency that a LD vote is a wasted vote - but if all those people actually chose to use it, then it needn't be.

Helena, sorry to read this.
Unbelieveable how people are being treated.

I've spent hours going through the demographic and data for my constituency.

Its Remain. It moderate. Its got strong LD support locally. Everything screams it should be naturally be Yellow.

It'll go Blue again, because people are making decisions based on what happened in 2015, the propaganda and their own lack of conviction in what they believe.

There is an outside chance that it'll go red. And that's loads of Tory's going Yellow and 'Natural' LDers going red together with the Labour tribalistic including those who hate Corbyns guts out of fear of May. But even this relies on belief in the LDs.

It doesn't really matter whether you are Left or Right leaning or indeed a full on LD to see this is a pretty unhealthy state of affairs for democracy.

And don't get me started on how democracy in the UK is set to decline even further in the next 5 years...

The other reason May isn't doing a television debate is because it would give Farron an equal platform to her. Its not about her being up against Corbyn. Farron fairs well when he does get airtime as he generally exceeds expectations (because people don't really have a positive view of him, largely because they know little of him).

sigh

So many if onlys.

💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩 It's so depressing I've been forced to become a poo troll.

Red out of the whole sorry lot of them, LD seems the most sensible to me and after reading what you've said, I feel better about not thinking I'll be wasting my vote to choose LD. And yes I guess if more people decided that no, they won't be wasting their vote and actually voted for them, they might well present a threat to the Cons and Labour.

Vanilla sorry about you having to become a poo troll. I can see how such political depression could turn you into one. Is there anyone you can speak to in RL about this? Maybe you could make an appointment at your local MPs next surgery and see what they can offer you. No on second thoughts, that's the worst advice ever. Don't do that.

Seriously? The corbyn juggernaut??? More like tge corbyn rusty bike with the wonky wheel! Hopefully him and his side kicks will bugger off back to selling the socialist worker to 6th formers after they are decimated in the election and make way for a decent opposition wo will provide a realistic and strong opposition! The man is single handedly (well with the help of the unions macdonell and abbot) ducking this country over with their student politics

I think she looks deranged !

Why is nobody picking up on the fact that the tories have run up way more debt/deficit in less time than Labour did?

Another point. It's a deliberate strategy to depress people so they don't vote. For this reason regardless of who you vote for, come out fighting and make sure you vote. It sounds crazy but it what is actively being done (and has been admitted by campaign strategists). It's thoroughly not in the spirit of democracy. It completely undermines it.

This is why the number of people who didn't vote in 2015 is larger than the total number of votes the Conservative party got. All the talk that my vote does mean anything is wrong.

Eroding faith in democracy allows it to fester. You can only support democracy by making sure you vote because that's what gives you power.

No hope = no fight = no vote.

medium.com/@helenldecruz/no-there-are-not-22-re-leavers-d40c0c78833e
No, there are not 23% 'Re-Leavers'

The propaganda of the leaver, released and the remainer (or the enthusiastic, undecided and the resistor)

An excellent article in how there is an attempt to split Remainers into two groups - people resisting Brexit and people who are resigned to it. And how this is actually being used as propaganda.

Actually dissonantinterval good advice - I think I might go to the local hustings and see my MP. I live in such a Tory heartland that sadly my one vote won't make a difference so I might as well waste his time a bit. Cos, obvs, it IS a HE.

Vanilla oooh yes I'd go and put him on the spot.

Red I'm totally depressed with them all but never considered there could be a deliberate ploy to get people to feel hopeless enough not to vote!! I always vote and have drummed home the importance of voting to DD. It's our responsibility to use the vote we are given whatever pile of shite are our options.

No hope = no fight = no vote.

Or no one to vote for = no vote. Many Labour voters like me have no one to vote for at the moment.

I fully expect there to be an increase in the volume of spoilt papers this time.

An excellent article in how there is an attempt to split Remainers into two groups - people resisting Brexit and people who are resigned to it.

Tbh there are two groups. If there wasn't then the LibDems would be surging in the polls rather than actually going backwards.