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Emily Thornberry

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LovelyBath77 · 14/05/2017 16:51

Just saw an interview with this woman and how irritating is she? I thought Diane Abbot was bad but she is dreadful!

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Sostenueto · 15/05/2017 12:51

Absolutely no idea truly badly deeply.

Sostenueto · 15/05/2017 12:52

Yes it was nice to see some comeback hoddtastic.

Sostenueto · 15/05/2017 12:55

The reason I think and is only my opinion that people are having difficulty in who to vote for is that the politicians are just so mediocre unilaterally that we the electorate don't have a lot of choice. Me thinks we need new young blood in parliament.

Two4One2017 · 15/05/2017 12:56

Before we all get too excited about Thonberry nailing Fallon (although it was good to see him squirm), let's not forget Jeremy has had meetings with Assad in the past too:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/palestinian-lobby-group-paid-for-corbyn-to-meet-assad-in-syria-jv5hrsjfl

silkybear · 15/05/2017 12:57

Ok so tell me this 'life long' labour supporters who are now tory...did you support Ed Milliband who was offering a lite version of tory? Did you support Tony Blair who was described by Thatcher as 'my greatest achievement'? Because I would suggest to you that you were never really labour in the first place. Even if you think Corbyn is a bit crap as a leader which is fair enough to think, surely you can see the policies are left wing, traditional labour policies. If you don't agree with those policies why not have the balls to say you are tory and own it? I have friends who are tory, I profoundly disagree with them, but at least they have courage in their convictions. Look at the policies, don't cut your nose off to spite your face because Corbyn isn't the perfect leader.

silkybear · 15/05/2017 13:01

Two4one, her point was that leaders on both sides meet with unsavoury characters at times, for reasons of diplomacy and negotiation. She said she 'would not judge' him for it. She was calling out the hypocrisy of saying JC meets with 'terrorists' when the conservatives do the very same, the difference is they pretend they don't.

Two4One2017 · 15/05/2017 13:03

Corbyn isn't the perfect leader.

Well there's an understatement. Unfortunately it's not just him though is it? The rest of the Shadow Cabinet have proved themselves to be totally crap over the last 2 weeks - unable to grasp the detail of their brief - Rebecca Long Bailey was a shambles on Andrew Neil's show yesterday (after Diane Abbott and Angela Rayner faceplanted on LBC last week). They always seem to fall down on the COST of everything.

Tell me, last week they were spending £6bn on the NHS and this week it's £37bn....how is this being funded, and why the big difference.

Two4One2017 · 15/05/2017 13:15

Two4one, her point was that leaders on both sides meet with unsavoury characters at times, for reasons of diplomacy and negotiation. She said she 'would not judge' him for it. She was calling out the hypocrisy of saying JC meets with 'terrorists' when the conservatives do the very same, the difference is they pretend they don't.

Agree but this meeting was 10 years ago in 2007....members from all political parties were there. At that point Assad was not teaming up with the Russians bombing his own people. Was he considered a "terrorist" in 2007? Assad has always been a pretty shady character (!) but given there are pictures of JC having been to see him too it seems she's talking out of both sides of her mouth.....

The IRA is not comparable - the IRA were intent on bombing the British mainland to further their cause. JC was arrested at an IRA demo in support of IRA terrorists in 1986.

Bit different to Michael Fallon (and representatives from other UK political parties) having a meeting with the elected leader of Syria (even if the elections are not as we would know them....the words democratic dictatorship spring to mind)

Capricorn76 · 15/05/2017 13:22

The fact that I'm trying to defend Corbyn isn't because I'm a momentum member. Far from it. In actual fact I'm not ashamed to say that I am Nu Labour through and through. If Tony Blair came back tomorrow I'd vote for him. That's someone with the gravitas, diplomatic skills and smarts to deliver the most successful Brexit outcome. He was a bastard but he delivered and that's what I want in a leader.

I just find the constant attacks transparent to the point of being hilarious.

silkybear · 15/05/2017 13:32

I don't know how they are costing it until the manifesto comes out, but I eagerly await the conservative manifesto where they can explain they will renew trident for 205bn but can't fund the NHS to the extend they are putting lives at risk. They can afford to bomb Syria but have to cut the funding for schools. These are the things that matter to me most. The IRA thing has been debunked a million times already, Corbyn has been a long time peace protester, and was protesting about the fact IRA members were being imprisoned without trial. The fact we have a peace process in NI at all is because of MPs like him being willing to sit down and talk. He won the Ghandi International Peace prize in 2013. Do you think they would give such a high accolade to a terrorism supporter? The media are absolutely out to discredit him in any way they can, but if you look at his long term voting record it will tell you the kind of person he is. It's up to you whether you want to vote for that or not. I agree that his party have been at times shambolic, but there have been similar gaffes on the tory side that just don't get reported. You think Fallon, Hunt or Johnson are any better?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 15/05/2017 13:41

Its like disinformation 101 on MN political threads with all the 'lifelong labour voter but...' pp's

People have their own motivations I guess and its always interesting to watch, either way and how ever you vote I hope we all get what we want as long as its labour Grin

Two4One2017 · 15/05/2017 13:46

*I don't know how they are costing it until the manifesto comes out, but I eagerly await the conservative manifesto ......

his party have been at times shambolic, but there have been similar gaffes on the tory side*

Agree with you on these points. Don't agree with you about JC...happy to agree to disagree on that!

Capricorn76 · 15/05/2017 13:47

Sillybear. Well done for trying but you may as well give up because they won't listen.

I expect lots of threads from Tory voters from the summer onwards (who by then will pretend they never voted for them) complaining about various things being cut back or closed and how they're paying more for less.

The Tory party do not give a shit about people unless they're retired homeowners living in middle England.

Capricorn76 · 15/05/2017 13:49

Sorry Silkybear for calling you Silkybear. I misread your name!

silkybear · 15/05/2017 13:54

I know I keep promising myself I won't engage in these kind of threads Smile

silkybear · 15/05/2017 13:58

I never did get an answer from the op explaining how JC 'ran someone over' while a passenger in the back seat of a car Grin

Dianneabbottsmathsteacher · 15/05/2017 14:05

sos I do apologise for my flippant anger and I have every sympathy for your situation as we too are struggling.

We can't really combat globalisation though as that's like uninventing the Internet and as unpalatable as it is both are here to stay. The best we can do for the ordinary people of this country is to deliver a labour government but one that is palatable to the general voting public and until we do that we can hate the Tories till the cows come home but nothing will change.

Look st the front bench! None of them are credible. None of them are front bench material even if they are great constituency MPs.

Exploded I don't hate Corbyn I just think he's a divisive figure and a career agitator not a credible leader. I just cannot for the life of me understand anyone who wanted a labour win voting for such a person.

What on earth were people thinking?

Sostenueto · 15/05/2017 14:05

For goodness sake can't anyone say anything without making personal attacks on either the poster or leaders. What happened in2007 has absolutely no bearing on what is happening now. What I see is people more bothered about themselves than others. Who cares about peoples personalities or what they look like or if they made a gaff? Politicians are human, they make mistakes, their beliefs change with time, they lie, they cheat they promise you the earth. All traits we all have. Unless you are all absolutely perfect which I am sure your not because that would not be human, stop bickering listen to each other and try to put across a decent arguement that doesn't involve personal attacks.

Dianneabbottsmathsteacher · 15/05/2017 14:08

capricorn I agree with you 100% regarding Tony Blaire but it's not fair to assume all of us who can't vote for labour because of Corbyn are somehow plants from Tory HQ. Hmm there's a hell of a lot of us.

Dianneabbottsmathsteacher · 15/05/2017 14:11

sos agreed and I do apologise if any of my remarks were personal to you or others. Flowers

Sostenueto · 15/05/2017 14:14

Diane no apology needed. Everyone has view and it's great people have different views. We can all learn from listening to others and I enjoy a good argument. To be honest I just despair at the amount of insults bandied about not just this thread but on others too. But hey in the bigger picture of life it all falls into insignificance. I wish you all well and i hope that life be kind to you all. Don't forget those worse off than you because there always someone worse off somewhere in the world. Xx

ExplodedCloud · 15/05/2017 14:15

Diane I just cannot for the life of me understand anyone who wanted a labour win voting for such a person.
Well they did and they can be a long standing party member wanting a victory too. They aren't all new.
I absolutely cannot understand people who've voted Labour for years being enticed into voting Tory. Maybe you aren't but there are people out there saying that.
My reasons for voting for Corbyn were a move back leftward. Nobody else standing offered that or filled me with enthusiasm. And there was too close a link to the 2015 losing team. Owen Smith? No way.

silkybear · 15/05/2017 14:16

I can't speak for all, but I can give you an idea of what I am thinking. I have never voted Labour before because I find the legacy of Tony Blair absolutely abhorrent. The reason I am voting Labour this time and am really engaged politically again for the first time in years is purely down to Corbyn. People have said for years that MPs are all the same, they lie about everything, they are self interested. Finally we get an outsider who has a proven track record of being on the right side of history (if you properly research his voting record), who is coming up with something new. Milliband failed because he was offering a lite version of the Tories, and if Labour tried that again they would have no chance. We need something better and more radical than that. Corbyn is talking about not blindly following the US into wars, exercising caution with nuclear weapons, funding our services properly. It is refreshing to hear someone talk sensibly without the usual bullshit. That is my reason and I know there are loads like me that would never have voted for Labour but will now. He publicly apologised for Iraq, that swayed me initially. You might be surprised by how many turn out to vote this time, particularly young voters who were previously apathetic about the parties on offer.

Sostenueto · 15/05/2017 14:17

Thanks Diane. Can't get my imogees to work so a prayer and a smile on way to you x