Emily Thornberry

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Just saw an interview with this woman and how irritating is she? I thought Diane Abbot was bad but she is dreadful!

Seriously?

Sostenueto I bow down to your superior morality.

Of course it's only those that vote Labour who want a fairer society or care about people.

Sorry but for me Corbyn has crossed some red lines that means I can't vote Labour whilst he is there. I'm far from alone in that.

In the last election, pollsters and journalists failed to anticipate the strength of Tory support, and got slated for it.

This time they've (seemingly) identified the fact that the tories will win comfortably, possibly with a landslide. But they're getting slated for saying it.

They can't win.

Thornberry is a sexist idiot.

sos if you have been on other political threads here you would know that many of us were or still are Labour Party members for many years standing and are terrified about what is happening to the Labour Party.

Us moaners have leafleted and supported labour for years not just the last 2 like most Corbyn supporting idiots.

Apology breakwind didn't read your post properly xx

No worries!

And of course the photo was rude and patronising.

she's so stupid she forgot she was wasn't just showing her patronising and sneering Side to just her posh friends but to the wider public and quite right she was sacked.

And Corbyn had her back with the bumbling mess Abbott because no credible labour MPs will stand with him.

i am just a humanitsrian

Or

I am Middle class and comfertable so I don't really care if labour looses the election but enjoy spouting bollocks and feeling smug.

Pigletwaspoohsfriend I apologise if I come across as superior that was not my intent. I am sure there are many voters from all parties that care about those in poverty, I don't doubt that for a second. It is going to be hard though to go with a party that believes in globalisation and who so called cares about the poor. The two do not go together. I cannot condemn people who don't like the leaders who do not want to vote for them. Your vote is your vote. What I cannot understand is the people who profess to being lifelong labour voting for Tory who we all know is not the party who will help those in need. There are other parties they could vote for.

Glad to hear it Dianeabbotsmathsteacher but do you really think openly misning about the leadership will improve things for the labour party? Yes I too am desolate at what is happening to the labour party. It us tearing itself apart. Perhaps the question should be is do the people who criticise their own leader think they are doing people like me a favour? I can tell you you are not. I, too used to go out with leaflets but I am now disabled and cannot do the rounds as you say anymore. Perhaps the labour party needs to be destroyed and a fresh start made, it seems to me the in house fighting us doing that job very well. Corbyns policies are the right ones in trying to combat globalisation. Those that have changed the world have never been charismatic or popular but nevertheless they changed the world.

Who sos though? The greens disgraceful 'non man' issues? Tim farrant snd his very religious views and wishy washy policies or UKIP yeuk!

I have no truck with the tories but we are where we are and I can't see anyone handling Brexit well but she's the least worse option.

Yes it is a quandary Diane one that I too have. That is why I keep going on about what type of country you want. You don't have to worry about Brexit if all around you collapses like the NHS and education etc. Brexit will be the last thing on your mind. All I can say is vote with your true conscious. May appears to be strong. I expect her to come back with no deal. Parliament will demand a second vote on Brexit and so it will go on. Focus on every day things that will affect you and your loved ones. Every vote for May will Bring devastation to the working class. That's all I can say . The state of my beloved country at the moment causes me nothing but heartache. The divisions in our society often make me weep. These are not stupid feelings. I had to fight for my education, fight to be heard, fight for my children, i thought the bad times were behind us but they are there more prominent than ever for my children and their children and so it goes on.

I'm not sure why it's a surprise there are ex-Labour voters.

The whole point about Nu Labour is that it moved significantly to the right to capture voters there.

It actually became a cliché that you couldn't get a cigarette paper between the policies of Nu Labour and the Tory party.

There was little effective opposition in Parliament to many Nu Labour moves because they were what the Tories wanted anyway. The privatisation of the NHS was something Mrs Thatcher didn't dare do, but Nu Labour were working towards it when the Coalition came in and finished the job (though perhaps not exactly as Nu Lab planned, but hey, they skinned it, the Coalition cooked it).

There were many effects of the Nu Labour government, many of them good, eg national minimum wage. But among the less good ones are that it moved the whole dialogue, the Overton Window to the right, and that it left people who eg didn't want the NHS privatised with no one to vote for and no voice in Parliament.

Now that Labour is moving back to the left, it's entirely natural that it should lose those same Nu Labour voters.

For this coming election, anyone who wants Tory policies will vote Tory. Anyone who doesn't want Tory policies won't vote Nu Lab. So Nu Lab doesn't really have a function any more.

There IS a function for a working opposition to hold May to account in Parliament and voice ideas the Tories certainly won't. But infuriatingly we don't have that, because Labour hasn't finished ripping itself in two and Nu Lab sailing off to form a centrist party with what's left of the Lib Dems.

A Labour government which simply enacted what the noughties Tories would have done anyway, and in particular which continued harming the most vulnerable and leave "ordinary working people" unable to afford accommodation or childcare... I'm struggling to see the value of that.

By the way, I'm disabled and unable to work. I'm supposed to be doing my DLA/PIP renewal today, not writing this. I didn't have well-off parents but am lucky enough that my own generation (inc white van bro) are still able to work and have promised to look after me when the benefits fail - as they already have a couple of times. Dependence is not a nice position for an adult to be in, but I appreciate I'm extremely lucky to have people to be dependent on.

I thought she gave a very good performance, I've still not made a decision yet but the more I see of Theresa May and her vicar's daughter nauseous twaddle the more certain it is I'll be voting for another party.

Sostenuto, missed your posts while writing my screed, and agree with much of what you say.

Particularly the need to ask, what sort of country do we want?

As for being g comfortable Diane I am sitting here having just paid my gdds fare to school for the next month (£100) because my single parent on a minimum wage daughter cannot afford it. I am also wondering how I am going to eat between now and Thursday week when I get my pension. Why do I pay that amount of money when my gdd could go to school in town instead of a school 30 miles away? Because the 4 high schools in town are ALL on special measures and my gdd who is in the top 10% of the country needs to go to a school which is outstanding so she at least will have a chance in life. We could not afford tutors for her to go to grammar but instead as we are Catholic she goes to her diocese high school. This is what happens when schools are underfunded. There are hundreds of children in our town that are shipped to various schools outside for the self same reason.

Look it's not is genuine Labour Party voters that are responsible for the state of the Labour Party it's Corbyn and his ilk.

We appear divided because we are divided and you can't paper over these massive cracks.

what sort of country do I want to live in a country with a sensible strong stable labour government with sensible credible electable policies and if that means a centre party then great. It's no good bemoaning the wicked tories if the tories appear more credible. We have to appear more credible and that means dumping Corbyn.

It's no good refusing to face facts this is what's going to happen and if we don't get rid of Corbyn we won't win. Ever.

Diane I really am fed up of people insisting everyone who doesn't hate Corbyn is a Johnny Come Lately, Momentum fuelled newbie on a £3 membership.

Then vote labour Diane and help the party to become what you want.

Thank you perking faintly its nice to have a little support xx

We will never win if you don't support policies to combat globalisation and if you don't support your party 100% eve if you don't like the leader. If you do not believe in his policies, however, then you may have to find another party to vote for. The choice us tours and yours alone.

Apologies for typing errors.

I heard her once on Question Time Radio 4, and she was very shouty and rude, so I went right off her.

Started to read the thread, then felt I had to reply to @Blaaaaaaaah's comment about the 11+. My son failed his, and is just about to graduate from one of the UK's top 10 universities with at least a 2:1. I'll tell him he's thick, shall I? Your comment was so damaging, uninformed, and wrong. Some children develop at different rates, some have different opportunities, and we all have different strengths.

Anyhow, as I skipped through the rest of the thread, can anyone tell me what Prince Harry and Debbie Harry have got to do with it all?

i am a long time labour member but not a big fan of current leadership.

I thought she was fucking MARVELLOUS yesterday.