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Emily Thornberry

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LovelyBath77 · 14/05/2017 16:51

Just saw an interview with this woman and how irritating is she? I thought Diane Abbot was bad but she is dreadful!

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Dianneabbottsmathsteacher · 15/05/2017 14:58

silky

Like all prime ministers Blaire did lots of good things and some spectacularly stupid things but he made labour electable. He persuaded people and managed to gain general popularity.

Corbyn can't do this abs unfortunately he has no good shadow cabinet members either.

Where's Yvette where's Harriette where's Hillary Ben? Are you telling me that they were never labour people either?

Dianneabbottsmathsteacher · 15/05/2017 14:59

Sos you too Flowers

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 15/05/2017 16:36

Yes there are people like you silky many have joined the Labour Party and voted for Corbyn and then kept Corbyn as leader many despised Blair and the Labour Party when he was leading

But they are simply no where near enough in numbers to ever get him elected and far more people are turning their backs on Labour as we have seen in every local and by election since Corbyn became leader Labour have lost a considerable number of voters so the gain from those more to the left or those now engaged with politics is few and will ultimately keep the Tories in power

Still Corbyn doesn't see a problem with that centre voters and floating voters are not important to him or what he wants to attract and god forbid those who voted for Blair (a considerable number remember theee conservative elections two with large majorities)

hoddtastic · 15/05/2017 19:58

it's an absolute nightmare to be honest- all these new members, voting for someone who has been really divisive within the party and who has not got a hope in hells chance (and if I am being totally honest, doesn't seem to want to be PM or lead in any meaningful way)

i despair, i really do.

silkybear · 15/05/2017 20:29

Maybe blair should leave labour and create the centrist party he keeps banging on about so people can choose old or new labour. However I wish all labour voters would just get behind JC and get the tories out for sure. If old and new members put their differences aside and backed him it could be a labour landslide not a tory one, and surely that is what everyone wants.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 15/05/2017 20:31

I wish all labour voters would just get behind JC

People have said many times before why there are red lines as to why they won't.

hoddtastic · 15/05/2017 20:32

woah woah woah, my differences are aside, this is a message board, an anonymous one, i am still door knocking (including going to our nearest seats that are in jeopardy as I live in a safe seat, if there is such a thing) and still phone banking... and still leaflet delivering.

I don't need telling who I ought to be supporting and what I ought to be doing thanks, and going off some of your comments it's almost like you want to split the party. Some might say that was the agenda all along.

silkybear · 15/05/2017 20:45

Well they are shooting themselves in the foot. Labour was failing, Miliband was a disaster. The party needed a shake up and Corbyn has achieved that. For the first time in years there is an actual, clear choice between the parties. You can choose not to support him of course but don't come back moaning when TM gets in!

silkybear · 15/05/2017 20:52

I don't want to split it, I think the only chance we have of beating the tories is presenting a united front. My post was in relation to the op and many others saying they are 'lifelong' labour but will now vote tory, I find it baffling. I am obviously not knocking fellow labour supporters who are out there campaigning, hats off to you x

theduchessstill · 15/05/2017 21:42

I've just watched the Marr interview and thought she was pretty good - as she usually is. Well, she should be by now - she's never off the tv. I also have no idea why people are saying she was awful on Question Time. I thought she was very strong and went down well with the audience. Why do people have an insatiable appetite for white middle-aged men saying fuck all? Why are they so admirable and considered to be great leaders? I had to switch off Marr when Jeremy Hunt was on it last week. Utterly vile, slippery and sort of not there.

I'm no fan of Corbyn and voted for Yvette Cooper, who I think is great. I didn't much like Blair when he was in power, but now look back and can see how much he achieved. However, I will definitely vote Labour this time around and cannot for the life of me understand people saying they are going to vote Tory despite being Labour voters. I also can't understand why people find May remotely appealing - she's robotic and massively insincere imo.

If I lived somewhere the Lib Dems had a chance I would probably go for them because of the EU, but in a way I'm glad I'm not having to do that after Farron's homophobia.

And anyone who thinks Corbyn would be a disaster who thinks Cameron did a good job is delusional. Coalition of chaos? What about holding a poorly run referendum just to shut up your own dissidents and then running off when it went the wrong way? What an arse.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 15/05/2017 21:51

For the first time in years there is an actual, clear choice between the parties.

Yes and the electorate don't seem to like the Corbyn led Labour option.

I don't many Labour voters that are voting Tory. I do know of many Labour voters who at the moment won't vote Tory or Labour.

StrangeLookingParasite · 15/05/2017 22:13

I'd rather dip my bollocks in hydrofluoric acid

Wow. That is serious. That is one scary acid.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 15/05/2017 22:33

Even if all labour voters that have always voted labour got behind Corbyn and those few (and it is in the voting population) who have rejoined labour it still wouldn't put Corbyn into number 10

Without the centre voters and floating voters Labour will never be in power. Blair understood that Corbyn knows this but really doesn't care that much about being in power and being able to make changes he is far more concerned with Labour being a far left Party

that is what is most important to him not making changes to people's lives

So no I will not vote for him (and neither will anyone I know who always vote Labour) for the above reasons and becuase I won't vote for someone with his terrorist connections and show of support

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 15/05/2017 22:34

And I will moan all I like

A different leader Labour could have stood a chance

SWtoSEGirl · 16/05/2017 06:17

I thought she was great - yes it was very embarrassing for him, and her delivery was lethal - but the bile being spouted about Jeremy Corbyn in the right wing press does need to be counteracted.

silkybear · 16/05/2017 07:18

At least do some actual research about his 'terrorist connections' instead of reading the right wing press...it's all easily disproved because to quote Emily its bollocks! Tony blair appealed to more people yes because he was pretending to be left wing and was actually pretty right wing...many many people abandoned labour thanks to him so why not lay the blame where it needs to be. they neglected their working class roots and have alot of ground to make back up. I see no evidence that JC doesn't want votes, he is out campaigning hard. Why now when the tories are at their most vile are you deciding to abandon labour? even if you hate JC you must at least concede the policies are good and we need to stop TM destroying our services. Sigh, I'm not even a labour voter usually and I'm trying to convince labour voters to vote labour, while the tories lead us into more and more cuts and austerity. FFS I feel like i'm pissing in the wind. The tories must be laughing their arse off at all this.

silkybear · 16/05/2017 07:21

PS You do realise in Europe they think JC is a centrist and think its hilarious that people see him as hard left.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 16/05/2017 07:24

many many people abandoned labour thanks to him so why not lay the blame where it needs to be.

Many people are abandoning Labour because of Corbyn. But you won't blame him when Labour lose by a big margin will you.

he is out campaigning hard.

In Labour heartlands. There has been a lot of analysis about this. The LibDems and Tories are campaigning in marginals. He is sticking to Labour heartlands or going to areas where they have no chance of winning. Not marginals.

silkybear · 16/05/2017 07:49

I he doesn't win then I go back to not voting at all. He is the only politician in my lifetime who is even vaguely honest principled or forward thinking. Labour membership has grown hugely under him, he has a massive mandate. You can either get behind that or not. I'm leaving this thread anyway I'm clearly not getting anywhere with it. I await the woe is me threads about the tories getting back in and how its all corbyns fault.

20nil · 16/05/2017 08:12

When TM wins, it won't be all JC's fault, but it will be largely down to him and his team. Blame the MSM, PLP etc ... all you like. But if the leader can't lead and bring people with them, they must take responsibility. Childish not to.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 16/05/2017 08:25

Labour membership has grown hugely under him, he has a massive mandate.

Part membership is not the electorate and it is the electorate that give him his mandate to be PM not the membership.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 16/05/2017 08:26

*But

makeourfuture · 16/05/2017 08:33

membership is not the electorate and it is the electorate that give him his mandate to be PM not the membership.

You are misunderstanding the mechanics.

FIRST a party elects its leadership. It is a democratic process now.

The membership have elected Jeremy twice....by large margins.

How, within a democratic system, would you suggest Labour choose its leader? Hold a separate GE amongst the entire population?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 16/05/2017 08:37

You are misunderstanding the mechanics.

As a previous Labour member I am really really not.

The members can chose who they like. The electorate decide if they want that person and party to lead the country.

They appear at the moment to say absolutely no way.

The membership could bury their heads in the sand and keep going with him as leader until Labour ends up with a party the size of LibDems or they could wake up and see it isn't working.

makeourfuture · 16/05/2017 08:50

The membership could bury their heads in the sand

You are mad at the membership?

Join! Out-vote them!

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