Emily Thornberry

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Just saw an interview with this woman and how irritating is she? I thought Diane Abbot was bad but she is dreadful!

I like Thornbury very much. She's been very unfairly treated.

The NHS is in crisis, schools are facing chronic underfunding, we are all facing certain economic hardship as Brexit takes shape and the Tories are talking about Fox Hunting. And yet the media think Labour are the laughing stock?!

Yes, the NHS is in crisis, the schools are facing underfunding, it's all true, and yet Labour can't use this properly and manage to make laughing stock all by themselves? They should be walking it. Instead they are shooting themselves in the foot every single time of them opens their
mouth.

Why?

Thornberry and white van man is prime example of how the MSM indulges in fake news by omission.
How could she be slated for snobbery and an elitist attitude in the papers and it not be mentioned front and centre that she is Lady Nugee.

Where are the smearing threads about the Tories? Where are the mocking news articles about them? There's plenty to snark about Boris Johnson but where is it happening?

The 'Oh I grew up in a council house line' is a not very convincing cover for the fact that she lived an incredibly privileged childhood with wealthy and influential parents at a time when council housing was plentifully available and living in it was not necessarily a sign of deprivation.

The 'white van' tweet was a sneer as that by election campaign in Rochester was a flashpoint over Labour losing votes to UKIP and it was abundantly clear what she meant.

She really embodies everything that is wrong with the Labour Party. A wealthy metropolitan elitist who thinks because she had a pair of second hand school shoes once in 1967 and her mother once didn't pay the grocers bill for a week she understands the modern working class. She doesn't. The idea that a significant number of builders or factory workers or mechanics or care workers would identify with her is just ludicrous.

She also made a lot of offensive remarks about how the fact she failed her 11 plus meant she was working class and not posh.

Failing your 11 plus means you're thick. It says nothing about your class. Unless you equate being working class with being thick. Which Thornberry clearly does.

Where are the smearing threads about the Tories? Where are the mocking news articles about them? There's plenty to snark about Boris Johnson but where is it happening?

There have been threads however if you are desperate for one how about you start one rather than complaining about the fact you can't see one.

Soviet, have you failed to notice the entire comedy industry is based around left wing comedians snarking at the Tories? Or that online the balance of 'smearing' is heavily balanced against the Tories? So much so that it's actually skewed the balance of how people see politics because many people are convinced there are far more left wingers than there really are?

But noooo, a little bit goes in the other direction and the lefties start crying foul.

Failing your 11 plus means you're thick.

Nice.

2012
Thornberry: pic of house with Union Jacks and red & white paintwork, "Wow great house in Lidney Rd #turnout marvin4bristol"

Blaah: [twiddles thumbs]

2014
Thornberry: pic of house with Union Jacks, "Image from Rochester"

Blaah: "it was abundantly clear what she meant"

feeding off our current right wing media's attempt to make the Labour Party into a mockery at every turn

The media isn't making a mockery of them, they are doing that themselves. If a main criticism of the party has been - they are out of touch with core voters, and seem sneery and condescending, why send out MP's who ooze those traits into the media - on TV etc? This is what baffles me re Labour. Why!

Unless they get to grips with this they won't win elections.

I don't want to snark online about the Tories. I want the chance of a balanced debate of what the parties have to offer, so the general public have a chance of actually weighing up the facts - rather than having right wing fake news shoved down their throats all the time.

As for the comedy element - comedy is well known to be counter-cultural, it's challenges the status quo. The status quo is mockery of the left and reverence of the right, whether it deserves it or not.

I don't want to vote for the Tories, but Labour aren't making me want to vote for them.

This is why I feel so annoyed at Emily T and Dianne Abbott and so on.
I want a choice, but I don't feel I have one.

Maybe your not seeing it Kitsch, I see Media mocking Tories all the time.

I don't see how right wing media can be blamed for ET dreadful QT performance and today's debacle.

She was trying to hold Fallon to account on Assad. The issue is - Blair wrote love letter to Gaddafi, Corybn has shared many a platform with IRA. She comes across as a hypocrite who is batting off Corbyns record by bringing up Assad. Because....she cannot defend it.

Whatever I feel about Fallon and Assad, stays the same, but Corybns record is still smeared and she didn't address that and dismantle that.

Saying its bollocks, laughing doesn't make it go away. Its therefore corbyns record with the IRA that lingers in my mind.

Same here Chardonnay. Many of us feel the same, Its infuriating and sending people like her out - is making it worse. They dont get it

"Failing your 11 plus means you're thick."

No it doesn't.

A different subject but I tend to agree with the pp who thought the b word inappropriate. I recognise we are probably in a minority!

But the Tories do? Our NHS will be finished after 5 more years of them. We will never repair the damage. Normal people can't afford for our health service to go the way of the USA. The Tories want more grammar schools, but how does that help the education of the 90% who would never go? They are just protecting the elite and the media is colluding.

There would be no chaos if Labour got in, the PLP is full of very experienced politicians who would get the job done. I am no Corbynite, but no other option is palatable.

ChardonnaysPrettySister I agree. It is so frustrating.

The thing with Abbott was ridiculous. Ferrari wasn't even pressing her. All he did was ask her a question about costs and the rest was her own work.

There would be no chaos if Labour got in

Seriously? They can't even form a proper opposition at the moment.

There would be no chaos if Labour got in, the PLP is full of very experienced politicians who would get the job done

Who are they? And why do they let DA and ET loose if they have experienced trustworthy politicians on hand?

I'm not convinced.

For interest, here is the actual Labour candidate, rather than visiting door-knocker, in the 2014 Rochester by-election, :
PR consultant and keen kickboxer Naushabah Khan selected as Labour party candidate in Rochester and Strood
www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/labour-challenger-hoping-to-give-8393/

Khan was a local girl who went to a local state primary and state grammar schools, then Birmingham University.

The voters actually returned Mark Reckless, the sitting MP whose defection from Tory to UKIP triggered the by-election. Reckless was educated at Marlborough College, went to Christ Church Oxford and Columbia Business School in Manhattan, then worked in financial services and management consulting.

So "builders or factory workers or mechanics or care workers" personally identifying with the candidate doesn't seem to have been an issue.

Oh, you mean the Lidney Rd tweet which outed her as a liar? Because she claimed she had never seen a house covered in flags before which was why she tweeted it? Then she got rumbled as having tweeted a picture of a house covered in flags before? The context of the photographs was very, very different. The Lidney Rd photograph had a black Labour candidate in the picture smiling and the clear message was 'look at our patriotic Labour candidate.' In addition, the flags weren't the only remarkable thing about that house, in addition it was quite creatively decorated and had Elvis decorations too, so to say that it shows she has an appreciation of houses decorated in England flags isn't true, particularly when she claimed it was the first time she'd ever seen it.

As far as I'm aware Mark Reckless has never stood on a ticket of being a man of the people making a big deal out of how much he understands working class people and making a big deal out of living in a council house and failing his 11 plus. Nor does the Tory party claim to be a working class movement representing the donkey jacketed masses when it's actually dominated by the upper middle class intelligentsia who wouldn't know one end of a hammer from another. That would be Labour.

He was talking b*ocks though wasn't he? I've always liked her.

That post just outed you as the less than entirely correct, Blaah. Although rather than calling you a liar, I'll give you credit for not having a perfect memory.

Thornberry's actual words were:
"It was a house covered in British flags. I've never seen anything like it before." "It had three huge flags covering the whole house. I thought it was remarkable. I've never seen a house completely covered in flags."

And she's right. The Lidney Rd house is not covered in flags the way the Rochester one is.

You've also demonstrated rather nicely the volume of additional meanings that you, personally, are appending to each tweet.

Lidney Rd: "'look at our patriotic Labour candidate"
Rochester: "sneering"

I've seen her on quite a few things and whilst I don't think she always comes across well she seems one of the more sensible ones.

I wonder what the PLP would do if he got in. It would be very weird.

And excuse me, "donkey jacketed masses"?

That's how you see working class people in 2017? WTF?