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This thread is fired. Terminated. Trump cont

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Orlantina · 12/05/2017 18:49

Continued

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2924472-We-cant-answer-this-thread-without-revealing-classified-information-Trumpery-trumped

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GingerIvy · 15/05/2017 22:52

The information the president relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.

The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said Trump’s decision to do so endangers cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and the National Security Agency.

“This is code-word information,” said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump “revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies.”

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 15/05/2017 22:54

Holy shit! He's a liability.

GingerIvy · 15/05/2017 22:56

Thank fuck.

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JUST IN: Gowdy withdraws name from consideration for FBI director hill.cm/P5fDhTM

GingerIvy · 15/05/2017 22:57

Gowdy likely has a few skeletons in his closet he doesn't want out.

GingerIvy · 15/05/2017 22:59

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After WaPo story breaks, McMaster sees a line of reporters in the hall outside Spicer's office. "This is the last place I wanted to be."

cozietoesie · 15/05/2017 23:00

I think you're probably right, Ginger.

Roussette · 15/05/2017 23:02

NY Times...
"Senate Republicans, increasingly unnerved by President Trump’s volatility and unpopularity, are starting to show signs of breaking away from him as they try to forge a more traditional Republican agenda and protect their political fortunes."

GingerIvy · 15/05/2017 23:06

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Nicholas Kristof Retweeted Eliot A Cohen
A Republican national security veteran weighs in on Trump's passing of secrets to the Russians. And people worried about Clinton's emails?

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Professor at Johns Hopkins SAIS; former Counselor of the Department of State. Contributing editor @TheAtlantic.
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This is appalling. If accidental, it would be a firing offense for anyone else. If deliberate, it would be treason.

GingerIvy · 15/05/2017 23:09

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It's simple: Individuals who are ‘extremely careless’ w/ classified info should be denied further access to it.

From July 2016.

lionheart · 15/05/2017 23:10

This made me laugh (sort of):

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BREAKING: Sen. McCain just raised his threat level to "furrowed brow," while Sen. Graham has gone from "concerned" to "very concerned."

GingerIvy · 15/05/2017 23:12

THIS is what Spicer will harp on...

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White House spin? President can declassify anything he wants. So, technically, information wasn't classified when Trump told Russians.
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But this:

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Laura Retweeted Zach 🍸
When did he declassify the information and is there any evidence of that? If it's declassified, it's subject to FOIA.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 15/05/2017 23:12

Oh lionheart - that would be funny if things weren't so fucking serious. Sad

honeysucklejasmine · 15/05/2017 23:13

The WP article refers to Trump saying the Comey firing due to Russia, and now this.

The presidency is over, surely?!

Orlantina · 15/05/2017 23:14

If it's declassified, then surely anyone can be told?

Unless it's classified.

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GingerIvy · 15/05/2017 23:14

from an article:

One day after dismissing Comey, Trump welcomed Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak — a key figure in earlier Russia controversies — into the Oval Office. It was during that meeting, officials said, that Trump went off script and began describing details of an Islamic State terrorist threat related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft.

For almost anyone in government, discussing such matters with an adversary would be illegal. As president, Trump has broad authority to declassify government secrets, making it unlikely that his disclosures broke the law.

“The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation,” said H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser, who participated in the meeting. “At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed, and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly.”

The CIA declined to comment, and the NSA did not respond to requests for comment.

But officials expressed concern about Trump’s handling of sensitive information as well as his grasp of the potential consequences. Exposure of an intelligence stream that has provided critical insight into the Islamic State, they said, could hinder the United States’ and its allies’ ability to detect future threats.

www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?tid=a_breakingnews&utm_term=.36221cf1c3b2

GingerIvy · 15/05/2017 23:15

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If he's got his phone handy, he's gonna start live-tweeting exactly what he told Lavrov and Kislyak in 5...4....3...

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lionheart · 15/05/2017 23:15

Less funny:

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McCain just saw WP: "We certainly don't want any president to leak classified information but the president does have the right to do that."

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 15/05/2017 23:15

In ordinary times the presidency would be over, but "we're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy."

Orlantina · 15/05/2017 23:16

I'm surprised how much grass roots support he has. I thought Russia were 'the bad guys". All this stuff and he still has support over the USA.

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lionheart · 15/05/2017 23:17

They are trying to say that he chose to 'declassiify it' by talking about it.

Orlantina · 15/05/2017 23:18

Exposure of an intelligence stream that has provided critical insight into the Islamic State, they said, could hinder the United States’ and its allies’ ability to detect future threats

That sounds like diplomatic talk.

Could hinder = fuck up our relationship with our allies.

What was that about GCHQ a while ago?

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GingerIvy · 15/05/2017 23:19

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I remember the olden days, when the firing of Comey was the big scandal. Now all this new-fangled treason stuff. Ah, nostalgia for long ago.

Orlantina · 15/05/2017 23:19

Did the allies who provided it want it declassified?

If you tell someone a secret, you have to trust them to keep it secret. If you can't, then no one will trust you anymore.

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GingerIvy · 15/05/2017 23:20

lionheart and when one of his fuck-ups manages to get soldiers or civilians killed? Will the GOP finally step up? Doubtful.

GingerIvy · 15/05/2017 23:20

Orlantina No they didn't. Reports are that he did not have permission to share that info.

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