To think we should just all vote for labour

[brexitstolemyfuture]

Renationalise the railways and energy companies.

Stoping any rises in pension age.

Taxing the top 5% to pay for oap social care.

No tax rises to people warning under 80k.

No to nuclear weapons.

Giving workers the right to strike.

Reverse legal aid cuts, giving the poorest people access to the legal system.

No target on immigration.

Banning driver only trains to keep the underground in safe hands.

Increased rights for the Roma.

Review of disability benefits changes.

Scraping tuition fees.

Honestly all such good ideas, we can get him ellected!

[Duchessofjam]

The manufacture and possession of Nuclear weapons is clearly wrong on a fundamental level and aside from that we just don't need them anymore from a geopolitical stand point. We are just a small Island on the north west coast of Europe no longer a big world power people need to get that into their heads.

[SquirmOfEels]

Tax the rich' isn't a budget, it's a war cry

And it's a war cry that carries the subtext 'we're going to wreck London'

Now, perhaps some people would think that's a good thing. I don't.

[HappydaysArehere]

This is a joke? Of course we should all vote for Father Christmas. All those holidays - great.

[PeteAndManu]

Large international companies like Amazon and Google will move or arrange their tax affairs to pay tax in a lower tax country. I think they aren't paying their fair share but it isn't as simple as saying tax them more. It is was we would have already done that. Plus the EU is concerned that we will lower company taxation rates to encourage companies to base themselves here after Brexit. Higher tax rates isn't going to encourage that, we need to be able to bring in more tax but simply raising rates generally doesn't achieve it.

Don't get me started on free school meals for primary school children. It has no basis for raising achievement and if you want to give schools more money let the schools decide how to spend e.g more teachers (or simply retaining those in post) or more focused support for those children who need it. Populist policy that wastes money without having anything to show for it.

[ShatnersWig]

As we've said on umpteen other threads of this type, the top 5% already pay 25% of income tax. And if you earn over £80k you will probably work for a large organisation. Who will simply change their salary procedure and pay you less salary to keep you under that bracket and reward you in other ways like shares.

And do all the people who think this is great not get the irony that an MPs salary is £74k. Funny that.

[brexitstolemyfuture]

Here here Duchessofjam, im thinking of doing the same. I can't stand Dianne, but I will be voting on the strength of these policies.

[ThisIsStartingToBoreMe]

"The manufacture and possession of Nuclear weapons is clearly wrong on a fundamental level and aside from that we just don't need them anymore from a geopolitical stand point. We are just a small Island on the north west coast of Europe no longer a big world power people need to get that into their heads."

I LOVE LOVE LOVE it when labour supporters start saying stuff like these. Go on, keep talking

[Euripidesralph]

Firstly....how about we all vote for who we choose to without being spoken to like we are five?


And secondly. ...your points are singular and not factoring in the bigger picture...whilst some of them are indeed positives a bullet list of hyperbole without debate over the reality of implementation is at best ridiculous and at worst the epitome of undermining intelligent voting

[Tissunnyupnorth]

If it wasn't so ridiculous it would be very worrying that people read this crap and think 'it's a great idea'.

[Mrsbird311]

I'm in the 1% whilst I'm happy to pay my way, if taxes went up considerably I'd be off!!
Nobody wants to give most of their money away.
I'd move to Cyprus, did you know you can buy citizenship to the eu there?? Costs about three million!!
I remember when everything was nationalised, everyone was poor and life was completely shit!!

[Miniwookie]

My DH earns over 80k and we certainly won't be leaving the country. We're happy to pay more tax. I think it's a shame they have pledged not to raise income tax on lower earners though as it's the fairest way to increase revenue. I.e. the more you earn, the more you pay. Pretty much all other taxes are regressive. So if the corporation tax rise is passed on to consumers in higher prices, the poorest will feel the effect most. Saying all that, Labour is not going to win, but I will still be voting for them as I do not want to give May a lanslide victory or a mandate for a hard Brexit or more austerity. I am in a Lab/Con marginal seat.

[Miniwookie]

*landslide

[Duchessofjam]

It's so sad to see so many on here so limited in the scope of their thinking and vision. It's like we have all been conditioned to think free market capitalism with no restraints is the only way, yes it's not always kind or decent but it's the cold hard reality of the modern world. We're like gluttons for our own punishment. Wake up people there is another way. If Labour were to implement even a fraction of these policies it would be a huge triumph for ordinary working people and the country.

Vote Labour for real radical change!

[Freddystarshamster]

increased rights for Roma yep crucial policy that. What rights do non Roma get that they don't?

[Havingahorridtime]

I'm torn. I have always voted labour and see myself as left leaning. I like corbyns proposals in principle but I am Concerned that none of it is costed properly and it is therefore a pipe dream. I am disappointed In corbyns absence during the brexit campaign. I have no faith in corbyns cabinet. I have no faith in Corbyn as a leader to guide us through brexit.
I live in a seat that labour cannot realistically win. It has historically been a two horse race between lib dem and Tory and I really want rid of my current Tory MP so I may find Myself voting lib dem For the first time.

[icy121]

🙄

[Biker47]

And why do people object to the to richest paying more tax? Surely that is fair.

Because the richest are already paying more tax, that's how our tax system already works, the more you earn, the more you pay. I'm not rich, but I'm still paying 3 times as much NI and IT as one person on the national average salary. How is that "fair"? I'm not some fatcat sitting on mega directors wages, just someone in a skilled job who works unsociable hours and on average 6 days a week, so my wages get bumped up quite a bit?

Spite and envy taxes applied, under the guise of "fairness" are always laughable. It's ironic that the people supporting it, can't see the inherent "unfairness" in it, but will gloss over it because; "fuck the rich" right?

[SquirmOfEels]

I'd be more concerned about how the £80k ceiling would have on NHS in London.

Because those on over £80k might simply move to live somewhere cheaper, or a new London weighting be introduced to offset 'retention' issues. One is detrimental, the other expensive.

As you can tell, I'm not wild about the politics of envy and it's unintended consequences.

UK output was low in the 'tax the rich until their pips squeak' era of the 1970s

[sticklebrix]

A lot of great policies there. But distractions from the elephant in the room.

Brexit is the biggest threat to our safety and prosperity IMO. Potential to ruin our country for decades to come if the Tories continue to mishandle it. Labour are unable to organise themselves, let alone lead complex negotiations.

Lib Dem for me this time.

[witwootoodleoo]

For those saying high earners won't leave you're naive. Many of us are globally mobile. I already know quite a few personally that have left as a result of Brexit.

I've been contemplating it since Brexit, but if Corbyn gets in the City is truly doomed so I'll be off. I'm British born and bred with no ties to another country but if the government is intent on destroying the sector of the economy that supports my job I'll be getting out whilst I can.

[NapQueen]

Maybe companies should be forced to pay a proportionate tax in all countries they trade in? Regardless of where they bank or locate their head office.

[TheDonald]

The manifesto says they will keep trident despite Corbyn personally being against it.

I don't agree with keep it but it seems he might have listened to the party on this one.

Other than that I agree with everything I've read in the manifesto. I will definitely be voting for them.

I don't think the impacts of austerity have been properly costed and have landed us in more debt over the last 7 years so I think there's nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[MephistophelesApprentice]

I love most of the policies here, especially as he's dropped the anti-nuclear rubbish (peace was kept in Europe by NATO, the Warsaw Pact and nuclear weapons - the EU is just riding NATOs coat tails) but I genuinely don't believe the Labour party, as it presently is, possesses the competence to bring them about, even if they somehow won the election.

[scaryteacher]

Mother Maybe being a NATO Nation kept us safe, given it's been going longer than the EU, and we weren't in the EU for all of the last 50 years, but we were in NATO from its founding in 1949.

[Orlantina]

Most countries in the world DON'T have nuclear weapons and make use of that money to spend it on education and healthcare.

France has them. UK. USA, Russia, China and possibly India and Pakistan.

I've always wondered why the rest of the world doesn't have them.