To think we should just all vote for labour

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Renationalise the railways and energy companies.

Stoping any rises in pension age.

Taxing the top 5% to pay for oap social care.

No tax rises to people warning under 80k.

No to nuclear weapons.

Giving workers the right to strike.

Reverse legal aid cuts, giving the poorest people access to the legal system.

No target on immigration.

Banning driver only trains to keep the underground in safe hands.

Increased rights for the Roma.

Review of disability benefits changes.

Scraping tuition fees.

Honestly all such good ideas, we can get him ellected!

RoseGold, there are nasty people in all races.

Bless him he reminds me of a child with a wand snd a wish!

And is it costed by Dianne Abbotts?

No op won't be voting labour

deeddeee can you get paid yo monitor mumsnet as that's my dream job.

Fuck she said 250000 at one point in that truly hilarious interview

Is that you Jeremy?

100% NOT would never vote Labour.

Yes of course ceto - but they don't get the same sort of publicity because of their lifestyle. Have you ever been to a Roma site after they've camped there?

Nobody will need a Delorean or a Tardis, Brexit will do the job well enough.

And oh, the irony of the Daily Wail regarding the Labour manifesto. I'll just leave this here.

I can't wait until Labour take power and we all get our magical unicorn.

I hope mine shits money because I can't see how else all of this will be paid for.

Is this a wind up? You have just given me a good half a dozen further reasons why I definitely won't be voting for Labour.

Unfortunately people saying "I wont be voting labour, ill be going green/libdem!" are inadvertently voting for the tories by splitting the opposition vote.
If green/libdem get just under 1/3 and labour get just under 1/3, but the tories get just over 1/3, they will win even though 2/3 of people want them out.

This is very much a "free cake for all" manifesto.

What decent human wouldn't want more money for everyone, better funded everything? It just sounds to me like they say there and listed all their wildest dreams and what they think everyone will vote for. The "fuck the rich" way of costing things just won't work. It's politics for 5 year olds.

Of course the Tories are 'evil'. They are like your mum coming in saying - No you can't have those sweeties until you've eaten your dinner, including the broccoli". No-one wants to hear that.

No. I'm not a Tory voter. I'm one of the much needed swing voters. At the moment the Tories look like the grown-ups I'm afraid.

Why would you want to see more rights given to Roma's? Honest answer - have you ever lived with or near these people? You realise they are proud of the fact they do not work, push drugs and generally drag the areas they spread to in to the gutter.
My DP is a Police Officer and deals with this demographic on a daily basis.

What a horrible racist post!

And yes, I remember the 1970's well. It was shit.

I get the argument that Labour won't be able to deliver on their wish list, but I'm going to vote for them anyway. I can't vote for someone who thinks there are "girl jobs and boy jobs" and who thinks that fox hunting is an acceptable thing to do. I just can't. I'm very fed up that there there are no viable alternatives to the two main parties. I would vote Green if they were ever in a position to win.

Health tick
Education tick

Labour has my vote.

I think in the Daily Mail's case they intended to say "drag us forward to the 1970s".

I think we needed a radical manifesto from Labour, to counter the rightward drift. I'll be voting for them.

And you know what? I genuinely don't know, economically, if they'll be great. But I do fucking know that they couldn't possibly be economically worse than this Tory government. I mean, FFS:

Selling the Royal Mail off for a fraction of its value;
National debt hitting the roof;
Billions wasted in fiascos like the Universal Credit IT shambles;
Failing to get huge corporations to pay the tax they owe;
Most NHS trusts going from surplus to deficit in the space of 3-4 years;

....oh yes, and let's not forget calling a referendum that resulted in Brexit. That was fucking clever, economically speaking. Hear that crash? That was the pound, that was.

Frankly, speaking only of the economy, Labour just have to stand still to make a better job of it than the Tories.

I'm not voting Labour. It doesn't really matter how I vote, tbh, I live in a very safe Tory seat. I won't be voting Tory either.

The £10 an hour minimum wage. Is that going to be extended to the Armed Forces, so all junior soldiers get a £5k pay rise? Of course it's not, it's just going to open a huge gap between forces and civilian pay.

Banning zero hours contracts will see DS2, and thousands of other students, out of work. He couldn't survive at uni without his job and it would be very difficult for us to make up the shortfall.

He's going to make all houses habitatable. That's great. He will need a massive budget to sort out the married quarters that a lot of service families live in.

I could go on but most of it's already been said. This all reminds me of when I was at school and we'd make up manifestos of what we would do if we were a politician.

YADBU
You are entitled to your own opinion, however these promises won't all happen. Labour are really good at making lots of magical promises and not following through with them. There is no way that they can afford to keep to all of these, they are doing what the Lib Dems did and target certain groups for votes. I.e. No student fees- get all the students on board! And look how that turned out!

I won't be voting for them the party is a shambles, which is sad as my local MP is Labour and he genuinely does care and has improved the local area. I just wont use my vote for Jeremy Corbin to get into power.

I do want some cake.

No YANBU. I will be voting Labour.

Today I heard a strong set clearly laid out policies that will be shared in a properly costed manifesto. Policies that will benefit so many more people than anything proposed by the Tories.

I simply cannot comprehend how so many people are voting against their own self interest for all the wrong reasons.

Stubbornstains - exactly! I don't understand how so many people are blind to the mess the Tories are making.

Wow, do you really think that banning zero hours contracts means banning the actual jobs themselves, fairy caravan? . So, "Oh, your job was a zero hours contract, so now it won't exist? "Errrrm....

How do you know the £10 p/h minimum wage isn't going to be extended to the armed forces?

You do know that the "making rented houses habitable" thing isn't, largely, going to be paid for by the state? The landlords will be liable. Actually, am I right in thinking that most MOD accommodation has been flogged off and privatised?

So, what, are you saying that you'd prefer families live in uninhabitable houses?

Health tick Education tick Labour has my vote.

Everybody would vote for them if it was that easy.
How the eff are they going to PAY for it though?! Does he have an orchard of money trees or something?!
It's all very well coming out with stuff like that as everyone sane wants health and education - not everyone's in Cuckoo Land and knows it has to be paid for somehow though!
As an aside, I'm loving the NN of DianeAbbotsMathsTeacher upthread
I rest my case.

Storm So what do we do then? Take Voter A. He thinks the Tories are shit. But he also thinks Labour are shit. He quite likes Green or LibDem policies but they can't win in his area (if they can win his area, then fine, Voter A votes accordingly on local issues as you should).

So, that leaves Voter A with the shit that are in power and the shit that are not in power. Are you saying Voter A should back Labour and hope that Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and Thornberry magically overnight become not shit?

It is a draft manifesto for people who want everything but are willing to pay for nothing. We, as a country, will not be able to pay for it. The top 1% of earners in this country pay 30% of the income tax. Many of these people will have jobs that can move elsewhere and they will find alternatives to taxable income. It will make this country very unattrative for investors and that, doubled with Brexit, is just not the way to go. It is all very well taking aim at Sir Philip Green with his £billion, but most high earners are not in that category and do a full day's work, and probably evening and night too! They are top hospital consultants, owners of businesses, Vice Chancellors of universities etc. They are not all people who have billions of £ and very many are the highly qualified people and business owners we need to keep this country going.

Putting more money into the NHS will not solve anything if we do not have enough Doctors. We need to stop promising the earth(£350 million a week!) and look at how meaningful reform can take place. Ditto with Education. You will not get more science and maths teachers overnight. You cannot have smaller classes if there are no classrooms for the overspill. Labour built lots of schools and then the country didn't like the debt that this incurred. It will not like the debt that this manifesto will bring either. It is buying votes with money that future generations, our children, will pay. They will pay dearly.