AIBU wondering what the Tory-haters have to say

[ProudConservative]

As the impartial CPS will not be charging any candidates for alleged electoral fraud, yet this was what many said was the reason for May's calling an election.

I always thought that the election was for a strong mandate going into the negotiations with Brussels. I assume that everyone must now.

Well I always thought it was Brexit but people having another opinion doesn't make them 'Tory Haters' it was a legitimate view just like yours

You don't think there are Tory haters on MN?

was it known that the CPS would not be charging anyone?

I suspect very expensive and educated legal advice would have been quite accurate at predicting the actions of the CPS.

Oh Nicemil1 there are many many Tory haters on MN believe me, and I'm sure there will be plenty of them on here soon.

Op, yes it was very good news that there will be no charges. I was pleased to hear that.

If the government knew ahead of time that no charges would be brought, they need to declare their insider knowledge and involvement. I don't think they did, hence the need for a GE because losing those seats would lose them the majority.

TM has called the election due to this, wanting to be able to ignore remainers in the tory party and because she knows she can't deliver what everyone is expecting so she wants a bit of breathing space after the two years and before the next GE after this one.

Labour are in a mess so it was the perfect time.

Oh I know that. Was being diplomatic. I usually vote labour but posted how impossible that is noe with Corbyn and was called I think a 'red Tory'

Unfortunately the far right and the far left attract morons.

Labour are in a mess so it was the perfect time

Plus Theresa May was having problems with her backbenchers and education issues etc.

So she was struggling to get her more controversial issues through with her majority. But she will be able to now.

I am sure some people hate the Tories and some people hate Labour supporters and UKIP etc etc.

We all have different views and we all have different priorities in life as to what is important when deciding on who to vote for.

I wish more people had views when it comes to politics since many don't care enough to vote or use newspaper produced soundbites to attack different candidates - many untrue - and cannot be bothered to actually look at policies and then vote based on what they believe in.

And I agree with you op of course it was about strengthening her hand in Brexit. Hopefully it will see the back of Corbyn too.

I suspect very expensive and educated legal advice would have been quite accurate at predicting the actions of the CPS.

I doubt this was the case. They may have assessed which was more likely, but they couldn't possibly have known with anything approaching certainty whether the CPS would bring charges or not. The government's legal advice wasn't great on whether Parliament was to be given a vote on triggering Article 50.

If the election was for a strong mandate it's odd Theresa May spent so long going on about how having an election would be an unnecessary distraction.

I think she fancies taking on the snp too and get votes there.

But is triggering an election not a girls job?

Yes, I assumed it was so that she'd have a mandate to secure the hardest and most painful Brexit possible, be a 'bloody difficult woman' (who the fuck goes into negotiations where they're already on the back foot saying that), re-introduce grammar schools, humiliate Labour (but steal their policies), refuse to debate with other leaders because she's so arrogantly assured of success, and shout 'strong and stable' like an idiot every 2 minutes.

I didn't really think that much about the fraud thing.

I dont care why she called the election. On the list of reasons why I dislike the Tories 'called snap election' came well below: 'my children are starting school next year & Im very worried about the funding cuts', 'hard brexit and poorly managed negotiations with the EU could destroy my husbands industry', 'my mum is waiting twice as long for surgery as she would have done 10 years ago', 'Im watching friends with severe disabilities worry themselves to destruction over the new assessments', 'family in SHELTERED accommodation, who specifically have health problems made worse by severe stress are being called up and asked to make emergency checks on their neighbours when the red call is pulled and no response, because the provider cant afford to send anyone' not to mention working in the NHS through numerous transistions both labour & tory and wanting to cry at how much worse things got under the Tory-led coalition.

I doubt this was the case. They may have assessed which was more likely, but they couldn't possibly have known with anything approaching certainty whether the CPS would bring charges or not. The government's legal advice wasn't great on whether Parliament was to be given a vote on triggering Article 50.

Not really, offering insight whether the CPS will press ahead is usually at least an order of magnitude less complex than a kitchen sink constitutional wrangle over how the country will behave following a referendum.

+on

I've read this morning's CPS statement. What it says is that there was overspending and under-declaring. However at constituency level the MPs and agents concerned are not criminally responsible as they were misled by CCHQ as to what was a local expense and what was a national.

Election law was broken - hence the £70k fine levied against the Tory party.

If you think the election is to give May a better mandate to negotiate with the EU then you're an idiot. It's nothing more than a power grab which wouldn't be happening if Labour were stronger. Government works better with a strong opposition to hold it to account. We're now on course for a dictatorship which will be terrible for the country.

The country didn't vote for a hard brexit. All they voted for was to leave the EU. May approach is pandering to the right wing of her party and history will judge her harshly for it.

If you think the election is to give May a better mandate to negotiate with the EU then you're an idiot. It's nothing more than a power grab which wouldn't be happening if Labour were stronger. Government works better with a strong opposition to hold it to account. We're now on course for a dictatorship which will be terrible for the country.

^100%

what nocake said.

Is that you teresa?

Another +1 for nocake. Well said.

If you think the election is to give May a better mandate to negotiate with the EU then you're an idiot.

I think you meant 'colossal idiot'.

Some chumps really gobble up all her soundbites and believe them absolutely.

As a labour voter I do. Not hate anyone that votes Tory. You are all entitled to your opinions as am I. I think though, that no-one should tar people with the same brush, but of course it happens. In this coming election May has managed to keep the ficus on brexit, which though important is not the only issue people should be worrying about. I worry about the NHS, as I who is one of millions cannot afford private healthcare insurance. I worry about the education system as I like millions of people want the best for my High achieving (in the top 5% of the country) Pupil Premium gdd whose single minimum wage mother cannot afford tutors so she can attend one oof Mays new grammars. I worry about my daughter who looks after other peoples parents for the minimum wage because most of the families of the elderly are too busy working, paying tutors, paying mortgages on huge houses and living the life of Reilly and cannot possibly look after their parents or visit them. But, they are there like a shot when the parents die squabbling about property ( believe me I have seen this so many times as a carer for 30 years). But I must not tar people with the same brush. A bit like the person on another thread who said every poor pupil should be given a copy if dubretts so they can learn etiquette so as to fit in with the middle classes. Oh and the one that said you should make sure your child wears shoes and not pumps. Thus was the advice if Tory voters to a lady who wanted to know his she could help her dd advance in education. So you see a lot of working class people might get the wrong impression of a Tory voter when you are all so obviously misrepresented by these types. Same problem us poor labour voters have.