Reasons to not vote Tory this GE

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1. Bedroom tax
2. Denying disability benefit to 165,000 people
3. Scrapping housing benefit for 18-21 year olds
4. Benefit cap
5. Rise in uni tuition fees
6. Junior doctors' contracts
7. Scrapping nurses' bursaries
8. Snoopers' charter
9. Social care cuts
10. Public sector pay freeze

10. NHS "10 year diet"

There are many many more!

Corbyn wants to invest in public services- education and health by taxing the rich more. Surely you'd have to be completely ignorant and selfish to not agree with this? 4 more years of the Tories will be the end of the NHS, we'd be fucking stupid to let this happen.

Rations, shortages, crummy flat with other natives.

And this isn't an acceptable standard of living. The Tories seem to think it is.

One charming poster doubted my earlier assertion that I had lived in Soviet Russia. Which was a mess of fake ideas about equality as well as authoritarian. JM, JC and co seem to aspire to this.

Everyone had rations and a crummy flat. Everyone. The comparison to Tory Britain 2017 doesn't work.

JC and co seem to aspire to this.
What absolute tosh.

Everyone had rations and a crummy flat. Everyone.
I doubt it - actually not that different from the Tories "do as I say, not as I do" mentality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/damir-rafi/jeremy-corbyn_b_16470650.html perceptions and policies

perceptions and policies
Apologies for above.

C'mon guys on this board, you must be getting a hard on every morning when you wake up to the lovely teresa mae.

Pretty desperate attempt at looking for a scapegoat there, and I thought the "laughing in the faces of the turkeys" was a low.

Reason 001) voting Tory means you are poor and happy to be much, much poorer, unless you're rich and you have shit loads of money in which case enjoy voting Tory and having to pay for your Botox necessary surgery as voting Tory = Bye Bye NHS, it's been fun to know ya

Tosh? What flag was McDonald standing in front of the other day.
Don't believe it was everyone who lived like that? It was . Don't believe me? Your error.

Elendon is actually incredibly persuasive.

She could persuade lots of people to vote Tory after all!

Wasonthelist, sorry but I can't let that go unchallenged.
Tories Do As I Say Not What I Do mentality?
What about Dianne Abbott sending her son to private school? C'mon, that was the most breathtaking hypocracy I have ever seen - and she STILL justifies it!

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I agree about Diane Abbott - but the fact it's not just the Tories (or Soviet Russians) was sort of the point.

Don't believe it was everyone who lived like that? It was . Don't believe me? Your error.
I am absolutely certain that top party officials didn't live like that. They never do - just like wealthy and powerful people in this country, austerity, hardships etc are for the little people. You tell me how the USSR managed to have Limos for Party top-brass to zoom around in if EVERYONE was dirt poor - it doesn't wash, it's not my error.

Reason 001) voting Tory means you are poor and happy to be much, much poorer, unless you're rich and you have shit loads of money in which case enjoy voting Tory and having to pay for your Botox necessary surgery as voting Tory = Bye Bye NHS, it's been fun to know ya

Wow, didn't think the next post down would illustrate my point and be from a virtue signalling so called "socialist" laughing at those who decide to vote differently.

I would put a wager on the fact you where one of the many posters saying everyone should read 1984 or animal farm when trump won as well.

And Abbott has got such a firm grip on Labours economic policy! She must cost them shed loads of votes every time she opens her mouth.
The Tories can get away with their policies because Labour have imploded, Corbyn might be a nice guy, but ...
The situation in Scotland is even worse, europhobic Tories or the anglophobic SNP.

I can't see how Labour are going to save the NHS either looking at a modest rise in tax to the small portion of people on 80k plus.

I prefer the Lib Dems approach where we all have an increase to raise more.

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Radishal. I've been to Russia. I'm in my late fifties and whilst things were extraordinarily grim for many, it wasn't the case that all lived that way. Most did. When we went some folk gave up being vegetarian for a while because our hosts had got hold of meat especially for us. Probably not legally either. But to think that anybody supports that, and that's what we're going back to is juvenile.

Just out of interest, you're new here, are the tories paying you?

The expression champagne socialists exists for a reason .....

What about Dianne Abbott sending her son to private school? C'mon, that was the most breathtaking hypocracy I have ever seen - and she STILL justifies it!

Also it's been diluted a lot, she made a cheap grandstanding political point scoring argument in the HOC against the Tories for being out of touch on education, on nothing more than "because rich tories"

The expression champagne socialists exists for a reason
I've never understood the problem with a champagne socialist. If they're prepared to pay more tax to help others then fine. Or are you saying that if you've a bit more money than others you should join some sort of warped race to the bottom? Give all your money to the poor?

Again, juvenile.

101. Because just when I thought they couldn't make things any shitter for people they gave us Brexit and shifted the blame on the poor.

They are a disgrace.

This whole thread has convinced me to vote for the Tories. Cheers.

There's always people quick to say they'd pay more tax. How many of them have tried - is it actually possible to volunteer more tax? Does anyone do this in practice? (Genuine question

My husband is able to claim tax back because of his working arrangements - he doesn't as we think that people like us should pay our fare share. As a family we don't earn the 80k that labour is setting as a threshold for one person. Along with many other teachers I have in the past paid for things out of my own money to shield students from the underfunding of education. In the past I took a voluntary pay cut as a previous school had funding issues . I actually won't do this anymore as I am propping up this government by doing so.

Crap I've tried to stay out of these moronic bait games as long as poss but I'm just too incensed pissed to do so any longer.

Corbyn lovers - delusional at best. Dangerous at worst. Absolutely no understand of fiscal reality. Anyone can promise spend spend spend but with not fucking genuine answer on what it's going to cost (just ask Abbot) it where the funds are coming from I genuinely think my 7 year old DS could come up with a better economic policy

All ANYONE on either side wants is what a best for them and theirs and the country as a whole. No one is genuinely evil. We just have different ideologies about the best way to make that happen. I happen to think that the NHS and other bureaucratic organisations need a jolly good rethink and reshuffle as times have changed beyond recognition since inception. (That goes for EU too, and transport and education - we need to be cleverer!!).

Calling people on the other side of the political spectrum evil nasty scum (on either side) just closes down debate. "I just don't understand why". " how can they think that?" Etc. Well try fucking harder. Are you 13? No one should live in an echo chamber. Having your ideals and thoughts challenged is how we constantly work through our political and social beliefs. Do it. Often.

So. Those ensconced in political mudslinging, hand wrangling, and it's not us it's them thoughts. Please. Please. Open your minds. This is absolutely the time to listen. I did one of those online who should you vote for tests and I was 80% Tory (as I vote but am a centric) but education and healthcare was labour. Made me think. Which is what we should all be doing.

Rant over. Thank you if you made it to the end.

Well it is true I have never lived in Soviet Russia, but I am American by birth. So many lives destroyed by the private health care system. So many fund raising pages now for needed operations.