To ask how the NHS will be saved by labour

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Currently reading a lot of conservative bashing on FB etc about the privatisation of the NHS, I've seen the labour promise to 'save the NHS' but I haven't seen anything about how they will fund this. AIBU to ask if anyone knows?

I have two very different questions about some of the points raised on this thread. They are unconnected but crop up every time the election is discussed:

1. Everything is going to be solved by 'making Amazon pay their taxes'. Do people honestly think that Amazon is waiting to pay and the Tories have just decided they cba to collect them? If it were as easy as some seem to think it will be, why has no party bothered up to now?
2. Taxing school fees - the assumption that everyone who sends their child to private school is privileged and wealthy. My son went to a private school, and most of the families were like us - ordinary people who went without holidays and other luxuries to pay the school fees. Our neighbours both drove BMWs, holidayed twice a year and changed their kitchen every other year. Why should I be penalised for the way I decided to spend my income?

Everything is going to be solved by 'making Amazon pay their taxes

How is Labour going to 'make Amazon pay their taxes'. The point is that they dont owe any taxes in this country. What law is going to change that will make them owe more taxes?

Exactly Anon, it will not be as easy as Corbyn fans seem to think, I am sure

I dont get the tax on private schools either. Its like Trump saying the Mexicans will pay for the wall.

Taxing private schools forces many children to move into the state system, the state bill goes up and the tax intake goes down. You put the tax up more to cover the difference and eventually the last private school closes and the state bill for educating ex private schools pupils is picked up entirely by the state and there is no tax incoming to pay for the free school meals.

Its very simple, where is the logic? It would be more honest to say private schools were banned and here it what it will cost the state. But JC is not famous for being honest...

Yes, it makes no sense at all. Also there are not that many rich people around which is why if you want to raise more tax you have to increase national insurance contributions on white van man in the middle of the earnings range or increase the basic rate of income tax hitting people on average incomes of £20k etc.

If you increase private school fees for 500,000 parents you will get al ot of those children in the state sector which is going to mean less not more money fopr the state and then private schools can stop making free places and bursaries available so even more children back into the state sector.

Labour is not going to scrap our nuclear trident thing which is quite expensive so they will not even be saving on that.

They are also going to do quite a few things that will be quite expensive like set up their own electricity company and gas company - lots of set up costs there.

I wonder how much money they actually think they can extract from someone on even £100,000. The £20k of their earnings over £80k is already taxed at 42% tax/ NI. If they put 5% on there which is probably their plan they won't get much more tax in. Labour put rates up to that level for one year only and it didn't have much effect in raising tax revenues.

They might tax people's savings accounts I suppose - a % of what you have saved could be confiscated each year? Or a tax on expensive items you own like your wedding ring or car. Those kinds of assets taxes are all the rage in places like France.

over 50% of the NHS budget does and always has, gone to private profit making companies. How is Corbyn aiming to change that?

Excellent point. If people are so dead set against privatisation of the NHS, why not nationalise pharmacist, drug companies etc too.. and if it makes sense for the NHS why not nationalise everything we need so that greedy capitalists don't steal from the workers... Why not nationalise Tesco to get our food prices down, and nationalise M&S so we can get cheap clothes!.... let's alll live in a communist utopia!

'Take back the wealth' eh?? Well we didn't take it, we earned it, so fuck off Corbyn.

Err okay Richard Branson.

I've a question about nationalising everything (I am clueless about all this so it may be a daft question!).

If the railways are being re-nationalised, then will corporate tax take not decrease at the same time (as private companies are not operating them any more)?

If so - then aren't JC's corporate tax take sums are wrong from the off as they are based on current take?

You do realise when nhe goes you will.be still.paying the same amount of tax or more.
Plus you paying for all your health care .
So you will also lot worse off.

'Take back the wealth' eh?? Well we didn't take it, we earned it, so fuck off Corbyn."Err okay Richard Branson.

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Thought this should be discussed.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/22/jeremy-corbyn-economists-backing-anti-austerity-policies-corbynomics

Simply by not privatising it. I know what it is like to work for an NHS service that is privatised. The staff are only entitled to one 30 min break per 12 hr shift, not paid when on short term sick so often staff feel even sicker than the patients they are trying to help. I remember I had to work with the mother of a 2 year old needing surgery. The company said she could go but it would be unpaid. She couldn't afford to lose any of her salary as she was barely paying her bills as it was. She was in bits all day. None of this is good for staff or for patients. But hey its cheaper .

Valentine, it's from 2015, not an endorsement of his current manifesto pledges.

charmaggedon
Can you please explain what you mean. I can see it's from 2015 but I want to know what has changed in that time and whether it's different from the current manifesto. Kindly post links if you have some articles.

They can't. It's too late and nothing will save it now.

Lionking

It sounds like your employer is poor - treatin your staff like shit is not only ethically wrong but ultimately counter-productive from a business perspective.. However, your argument appears to be that the NHS shouldn't be privatised as although it's cheaper, employees are treated badly.

What I don't get is why those against NHS privatisation who believe it is so self-evidently and obviously wrong, at the same time don't tend to also want to nationalise everything that provides a service to the public... if it's obvious that the NHS should not be privatised, why is it obvious that Tesco/Asda etc should not be nationalised.... as both provide essential services.

But JC is not famous for being honest...

Really?

I don't think the extra cash needed should come from taxing private education, or from taxing only higher paid workers.

I believe it should be an across the board income tax increase.

Evet political party is afraid to do this but if the lowest paid lost (say) £52 pa and those earning more pay proportionately more it would not be an unrealistic proposition.

And then we could look at ways of tackling obesity and raising money at the same time.

How about an obesity tax on junk food advertising for a kick off?

Mother The Labour party of 1997-2007 had no problem borrowing on the markets, so could easily have funded through govt borrowing, not PFI. However, that would have increased national debt (as PFI was off balance sheet) and not looked good politically (in their eyes). Basically, they decided to spend taxpayers money on expensive PFI (and fuck over the poor) to remain in power, despite having a massive majority.

Lol - I think they left enough debt, no ?

Have you looked at ANY of the data that people have provided on historic national debt?

Well I think at least the won't be the intension of discrediting and destroying the NHS so they can sell it to their rich pals. So that is a good start...

I genuinely don't comprehend how a health service that was the best in the world as late as 2012 has been brought to its knees so quickly.

If we can't afford to save the NHS, how on earth can we afford to lose it? How can the squeezed middle not be able to afford to pay more tax but can afford to pay private health insurance when the NHS is destroyed? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Furthermore, how can people shrug their shoulders and say there is no magic money pot to pay for the NHS but justify the cost of Brexit? Where are the tens of billions of pounds going up come from to pay for that? How can the Tories claim we have no money to pay for healthcare? Clearly we do, but it depends on the priorities of the government. I want a party who prioritise spending on the NHS - rather than, for example, May's ridiculous grammar school idea. Because all of us ordinary people who should supposedly fear taxes under Labour surely can't afford to pay for our own healthcare after the Tories have run it into the ground and sold off all the pieces.