To want to bang my head against a wall. Why don't people understand they're voting for a party, not a person?!?!

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AAAGGGHHHHHH!!! I really could scream, I'm so sick of people saying they can't bring themselves to vote Labour because they don't like Jeremy Corbyn. Oh ok, so condemn us to 5 more years of Tory hell instead because you don't like 1 bloke you've never met
It's the PARTY that would be running the country, not one man and god knows what will happen in the future, the leader of the party can change!
Sorry, it just infuriates me that people can't see the bigger picture

BillSykesDog where have I said I'm representing "the left"? Where have I said anything other than I disagree with your interpretation of what those roles achieve on a daily basis? Where have I said that the policies from any party cause issues with any particular impression you apparently have of there being some sort of under educated and underestimated class of people who can only have their political opiniona handed to them?

I worked with police officers who were staunch Tories, UKIP converts, Green voters the lot. None of them espoused their views onto the public.

I clearly stated that crime - ie what I dealt with every day for a decade and is therefore within my knowledge and the entire point I was trying to make - affects everyone. Not just the left or the working class. Not by a long shot.

Try not to let the right / left arguments cloud your judgement. I'm very much right wing on law and order and left wing on human rights. Why have you become aggressively up in arms about my life and my experience?

See, I was mainly disagreeing with Bill: Why would I ask a teacher or a nurse or a police officer who I would vote for? Why would I limit myself to voting in the interests of a few groups who want policies which benefit them but might not be particularly interested in policies that benefit the rest of society?

and arguing that frontline services are likely to be more aware of the effect of policies on swathes of the population. I would also say they are more likely to be interested in policies that would benefit the rest of society as they have chosen to work in people focused careers. I listen when people tell me what they see happening around them. Teachers know a hell of a lot about what happens in the homes of their kids, and they see all kids- not just the homeless ones, sick ones, troubled ones.

I'm not particularly left wing. I do think we have stored up an expensive problem going forward, and I don't know who is best placed to sort it out.

I'd like to see a hung government, and a longer term outlook, with less vote buying.

Not been back all day.

Pickleme I bet that was a massive shock.

You vote for a party, not a person? I'm pretty sure we vote for a Member of Parliament. They may belong to a party, but he or she might not agree with how the party is run. The MP might vote against their party. And the party policies are picked by the leader, so we have to think of leader, Party, and MP.

I want to bang my head against the wall when people say they want to want to bang their head against a wall when...etc

When Jezza was a backbencher you were guaranteed he would vote against his party. Until now when he demands loyalty. What a joke!

Gentlygrowingoldermale

Apologies if this has already been said, but I'm late to the thread...

Corbyn didn't propose the energy price cap - that was Ed Milliband

If everyone disregards how bad a leader is because they want to support the party there's a chance the party might GET IN, OP, along with the disliked leader. That doesn't make any sense. Sometimes a leader has to be told he's a liability.

Here's a pretty reasonable summation of current public opinion, from the very pro-remain New Statesman

www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/05/remain-delusion-48-cent-do-not-exist?amp

And here's Jeremy Corbyn refusing to answer the question of whether if he was elected PM the UK would leave the EU, numerous times.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-2017-39861230/would-pm-corbyn-definitely-leave-eu

That's a great New Statesmen article Wrong Trouser.
From the small sample of my experience - both me and dh voted to Remain and now just want to get on with in the quickest, easiest way. Friends who voted Remain are a worried but resigned to it.

I'm considering voting Tory for the first time ever.

I spoke to someone that actually knows him to help form my opinion Laiste, rather than rely on biased "news

OP, so did I, my MIL, who's known him since their youthful Communist party years. She's a Labour local councillor.

But I don't need her or the media to draw my own conclusions about his general abilities to negotiate Brexit efficiently, or DA's ability to manipulate the economy successfully. They are a disaster waiting to happen.

But it's not me living in a constituency that will vote for a pig with a red rosette on it that you have to convince;it's all those swing voters in marginal constituencies. Good luck with that.

I spoke to someone that actually knows him to help form my opinion Laiste, rather than rely on biased "news"

I'm still not convinced this isn't a wind-up.

If it isn't, are the political views of people who don't have personal connections to the North London liberal whatever-you-want-to-call-thems as valid as those who do? Or is being personally connected to JC essential to play an effective part in our democracy? Which is kind of limiting and not terribly fantastic on the equality front.

It's somewhat hilarious to view the intolerance towards an actually left-wing labour. I think the general public are confused because they'd really like 3 identical parties. Then they could choose via fashion sense, hairstyle or accent.
Corbyn is not a disaster. He allows the shadow cabinet to disagree with his principles, and they do experience some unrest. Politics is bloody important, so I'd rather see passionate discussion than apathy.
If he was a disaster, why didn't they ditch him recently?
Corbyn doesn't get excited about wars and expensive, unnecessary weapons. Surely any humane member of society would prefer peace? What's the point in stashing weapons capable of killing millions of innocent people?
The manifesto seems to address important social issues. Perhaps reading this would help somewhat?
Seriously, stop taking political facts from the Fail and the Sun. They twist anything to serve their own agenda.

Yes, anyone who doesn't want to vote for JC and the current mess which is the Labour Party clearly has absolutely no interest in politics and current affairs and is only interested in haircuts and clothes. We also only read the Mail and Sun and all that time I though I spent reading books and articles, talking, and reading and watching political stuff online, I am clearly misremembering and I was actually doing my nails.