To want to bang my head against a wall. Why don't people understand they're voting for a party, not a person?!?!

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AAAGGGHHHHHH!!! I really could scream, I'm so sick of people saying they can't bring themselves to vote Labour because they don't like Jeremy Corbyn. Oh ok, so condemn us to 5 more years of Tory hell instead because you don't like 1 bloke you've never met
It's the PARTY that would be running the country, not one man and god knows what will happen in the future, the leader of the party can change!
Sorry, it just infuriates me that people can't see the bigger picture

I smiled when I read the anti-Corbyn post that we need Trident. We may need it, but it's not ours. We rent it and the Landlord decides if we can use it. Even then we have to have a working submarine and last year (?) sometime we didn't have one!

Some friends, staying with us last year, had heard Corbyn speak at a public meeting making it quite clear he was in favour of remaining in the EU. The media, of course, didn't report it like that.

A London School of Economics study into how Jeremy Corbyn is represented in the media found that only a paltry 11% of all newspaper articles about him bothered to accurately state a single one of his actual policies. In the hard-wing Daily Mail and Express that figure was 0%.

When Corbyn proposed a cap on energy bills he was told how stupid he was. May says the same thing and she's a genius.

YABU because you are voting for a party and 2 people (local MP and leader).

Ah, another one blaming the media.... Like buses...

It's ridiculous. I can see Corbyn is a disaster and I read the Mirror!

I despair over the current state of British politics. As a nation, we are up shit creek, with a huge and growing national debt, Brexit to deal with, and a more unstable world situation than has been the case for a quarter of a century.

I'm one of those woolly centre-left types of people, and most of my friends are middle of the road or left of centre. And what do I get on bloody FB every time I look? Shallow, idiotic, simplistic political memes from people who should know better. These memes translate as 'The Tories = UKIP' and 'All Tories are Evil' and 'Let's not think about where the money comes from'. It's not political debate. It's political sloganising, and it's childish and not at all constructive. I daresay there are similar Tory memes doing the rounds, but I don't know many Tories.

The political class is as crap as the memes, and the Labour leadership is especially crap. Diane bloody Abbot, who can't count. John McDonnell, who is hard Left (yeah, communism: great in theory, murderous in practice). Jezza himself, incapable of putting a lid on the anti-semites in his party (either he agrees with them, or he's incompetent, and neither is a good look). Given the challenges facing the country, we need a really strong, capable opposition, united, alert, with clear goals, and costed ambitions. and we haven't got it. Au contraire. We've got a bunch of ideologues and incompetents.

I CAN'T vote for Labour with that trio at the top: leadership does really matter.

I await the update of vote for policies. But it is only a simple algorithm and usually demonstrates that all the parties have policies that I can't support.

Rather simplistic to assume that it will show ukip only if you are a total supporter. Or any other party.

I don't want to get too into it but some of the things Labour have done, or knowingly stood by amd allowed, mean I will struggle to vote for them ever again (and will never again trust any political party as long as I live).
Yup. That too.

BTW energy bill cap will mean everyone pays higher prices. The cheaper fixes have gone and unit prices have risen at least 30%. The energy companies have seen this coming.

Even the cutesy woo little ones. There is no real competition.

I would truly love for there to be a credible alternative to conservative. At the time we need it most there is no one to turn to.

AIBU to want to bang my head on a wall because there are people that can't see that the reason people are not voting Labour is because Corbyn has made them unelectable? That Corbyn can't see that he and his cronies are undermining our democracy? That he is clinging on to power against the wishes of some of the brightest and most competent in his own party? That he is clinging on to power against the wishes of the electorate who want a strong opposition as much as they want strong government? That they are destroying a party that has done great things in their history?

I say this as a floating voter, probably part of a usually silent majority who keep their opinions to themselves. I have been on Mumsnet many years and never before have there been as many posters coming out against the left wing rhetoric that all Tories are bastards who want the rich to get richer and have no social conscience. To me, that says something.

To argue that teachers, policemen and other public sector workers know better than the rest of us, who are obviously led by a biased media , is patronizing and does not take into account the millions in the private sector who touch lots of different people, from all backgrounds on a daily basis. It also assumes that every teacher, nurse, police officer etc.will vote Labour regardless. Utter rubbish. Nevertheless, we all speak from our own circumstances, our own experiences...that is the beauty of a democracy.

I have no allegiance to any political party beyond my own opinion when it comes to marking X in a box. I have voted for three different parties in the past and my vote will no doubt swing again in the future. I will continue to vote with my conscience and just because my conscience says something different to yours doesn't make it any less relevant, nor my vote worth less. Just in case you are under any illusions I won't be voting Labour.

Some friends, staying with us last year, had heard Corbyn speak at a public meeting making it quite clear he was in favour of remaining in the EU. The media, of course, didn't report it like that.

So why did the Labour vote to initiate the Article 50 then? As ordered by Corbyn.

Have you told Theresa May that?

She is the one who is making it about her.

Stands up and applauds boredandconfused.

ffs people are aware that they are not voting for a person to be PM (unless in party leader constituency)

But the party is lead by a person and their team and that is the person and team that if we vote for that party our local MP will be in government

And that person and their team need to look competent, professional and if in opposition that they are up to the job of dealing with the complexities of being in government

Corbyn and his team are so far off the mark I can't remember a time when the opposition looked so embarrassingly poor

It does matter who the leader is. The Tories are very different with Theresa May as leader compared to David Cameron, particularly now Osborne is gone too (for now at least!) Labour is different with Corbyn instead of Miliband, Brown or Blair, and the Lib Dems are, er, the same whether it's Clegg or Farron at the top. I am left-wing in many ways. I prefer the "Old Labour" style to "New Labour", and can't stand the champagne socialist approach or smug Tony Blair etc. However, I do also like Theresa May, and despite having been cynical about the Tories for a long time, feel she's more committed to fairness and ordinary people than Cameron ever was.

Great post BoredandConfused

Yes agree great post Bored

YABU.

I am a floating voter - have voted for several different parties over the years. There are some excellent individual labour MPs, but the party as a whole is not functioning at the moment.

I would like to bang my head against a brick wall for all those die hard labour voters who would vote for them no matter what.

"When Corbyn proposed a cap on energy bills he was told how stupid he was. May says the same thing and she's a genius."

Actually, the Labour proposal was not for a cap, it was for a freeze. And as commodity prices fell shortly after that announcement, it was rapidly clear that their proposal would have stranded those customers at a higher price than they would have been paying had the freeze not been introduced.

Cap is better.

I have been on Mumsnet many years and never before have there been as many posters coming out against the left wing rhetoric that all Tories are bastards who want the rich to get richer and have no social conscience. To me, that says something

I actually think the referendum has helped with this. Once we'd seen the amount and ferocity of the nasty name-calling at anyone who had the temerity to take a different decision on the EU, which is, in my view not a left/right issue, from some remainers on the left, the scales start to fall from your eyes.

The mean media. The silly voters. How come they can't see that Corbyn is a genius. And even if he isn't, you must vote the Labour because only they can save the poor. Corbyn himself said he won't step back as Labour leader if the Labour lose in the oncoming GE.
This is the occasion for other parties to rise and shine. The Labour destroyed themselves from the inside.

The problem is that a leader is a representative of their party. If that is the best person they have it doesn't say much for the rest.

I am certainly a lefty but I won't be voting Labour. kermit's link made me a whopping 84% green and a shocking 16% UKIP but in my area the only alternative to the Tories is the LibDems.

It's a real shame about Labour, they seem to have imploded and we really need a stronger opposition. Corbyn isn't uniting the party at all, and that IMO is precisely what a leader should do.

Yes op you are right of course Corbyn is a credible trustworthy bloke who can decide on policy and carry it out on a national and international stage. He hasn't endorsed and supported any Labour Party policy until he was catapulted to the leadership.

Of course Dianne Abbott can be trusted to run MI5 or as she calls it MI9.

Of course Thornbury can run the foreign office when she couldn't name the French foreign minister and then accused the sky reporter of sexism for asking her.

Of course labour can win with this absolute shower.

Of course everyone but you are hood winked by the right wing press

Of course all us long standing labour members are stupid vile disloyal and should fuck off to the Tories.

Meanwhile the poor, disabled, working/middle class thankyou so much for condemning us to Tory rule for years to come.

It's never happened before has it? Oh hang on Foot/Thatcher

And to add the people to blame for 5 more years of Tory hell are you and your ilk who voted Corbyn in.

Well done you

And to add the people to blame for 5 more years of Tory hell are you and your ilk who voted Corbyn in.

Totally