Seriously, is there ^anyone^ on MN who does not want Labour to win on June 8?

[cathf]

Come out, come out wherever you are!
I know it will mean you will be attacked and preached at, you will be told you are rich, uncaring and hate everyone except yourself, but will anyone stand with me and admit to planning on voting Conservative on June 8?
I can't be the only one surely? I didn't vote the Conservatives in by myself in 2015!

In the 90's some of the left formed a new party the Socialist Labour Party

Here is some info ....

Arthur Scargill formed the Socialist Labour Party in 1996 as a reaction to Tony Blair's rewrite of Clause IV in the Labour Party's constitution a year earlier, seen as a final rejection of a commitment to socialism. The SLP advocates the public ownership of leading industries - which had been privatised under Conservative Party prime minister Margaret Thatcher during the 1980s, with the policy being maintained by her successor John Major and then advocated by Labour Party leader Tony Blair in his re-write of Clause IV

Now this party is where Corbyn and co ideas firmly sit, society changes so political parties change and Labour changed to gain power and won three consecutive elections

Corbyn of course could run as a potential MP for this party which support his views the only problem is by running for this party he wouldn't be elected so he wouldn't have the nice fairly well paying career of a rebellious back bencher that collected a very nice pension and also allowed him a small platform to rebel on

By staying with labour he got his guaranteed votes that allowed him to be an MP and have his career as what a back bencher who rebelled against his party at every given opportunity and achieved nothing until now and his achievement will be Labour's biggest lose of seats in a generation

Hey but let's not let that issue stop the revolution

But he complied with the rules, didn't he? Anyone can seek to take their party in one direction or another. I would like the Tories to me a much lower tax party for example wanting a much smaller state but instead they spend highly and will not reduce the size of the state. I should perhaps take party in party affairs (I cannot be bothered) so I just moan from the sidelines but I would have a right to put myself forward and try to press my agenda.

he isn't so stupid he knows that the UK won't vote for a far left Labour Party

So what is more important to him the Labour Party being a far left Party or those he claims to care so much for and for Labour to be in power and actually make a difference

It's clear it is the Labour Party being a far left Party that will stay in opposition

Lib Dem for me.

Hoever there are not enough people like my son or Corbyn in the UK for a left wing Labour party to get elected in my view

Well there is a greater question here about Britain....let's just say England for the sake of this bit...

I have always been fascinated by the development of common law in England. The rest of the world - except for places spun off from England - look at things much differently. They are code-based. English law resists being pinned down.

In contract law, England has a concept called "consideration" which is basically this very hazy thing that allows for a great deal of malleability...it is almost just whatever a judge wants/needs it to be to make a ruling work.

I mean the question is....the question has to be: why England?

The answer is often "because of the unique nature of English society" or even "the unique nature of the English people". A volksgeist, a "people's spirit". Well...

So we speak of England being "naturally right of centre". I don't buy it.

What about the general election of '45? It was a statement that we would not go back to the '20's, when those who gave so much...and those people did give it all....would come back home and pull their forelocks and hope that if they humbled themselves in the right way, that if they were "deserving" then when times of need came along hopefully the rich would grant them an act of charity.

They were "deserving" enough when the whistle blew. And to keep the fires of industry going they went down the shafts.

I think now what we are seeing is not an example of any sort of right-of-centre English nature....but a classic case of many people facing a scary world and doing what people often do....retreating and protecting and guarding.

The Tories are not being smart or clever. They are doing the easy thing....fanning these fears....dividing. It's not clever or stable or strong. It is easy.

Now this party is where Corbyn and co ideas firmly sit

He was elected by the membership of the Labour Party.

Where were they before when Labour won three consecutive elections

Getting behind the Tooting's People Front is my guess

Oops sorry Tooting's Popular Front

Bloody autocorrect

I agree with everything Enthusiasm says.

make you make good points about the 1945 election but that was a one off after a world war.

In general far right/far left wing parties don't win in Britain they just don't.

Corbyn didn't really want or expect to win and neither does his front bench or Abbott would have done her homework over policing numbers. The pair of them are back bench rebels and of uih think they can change the face of British politics you are in cloud coo coo land

Ah wolfie smith

Getting behind the Tooting's People Front is my guess

Who can afford to live there now?

Make, I just didn't understand your point. We have laws in the UK. It is just that some are in Acts of Parliament and some are developed by judges. It seems to work quite well.

Consideration is a principle in contract law only. It just means you only enforce contracts where someone either pays or gets a benefit. It is not an unclear rule. If I agree to mow your grass with no charge as a favour you cannot sue me to do it. If I agree do to it for £100 and don't do it you can sue me as that was a valid contract because it had "consideration".

In my view our system of common law is the UK's greatest export and one of the things of which we can be most proud - our system of justice and the fact we don't have a lot of bribery and corruption, that most court proceedings are open (not closed like in China) etc etc. The UK and our previous colony the USA are not perfect but the English common law is one of the best things we have.

Corbyn can

He can buy a few with his pension and his chum Emily can buy some and rent them out

It just means you only enforce contracts where someone either pays or gets a benefit.

Foakes v Beer is pretty harsh stuff.

I don't know who to vote for but it won't be either of them. My dh is labour, his mum and dad tory. Makes for interesting wine filled debates .

Janet - case recently found against an architect who'd done a favour for a friend with no payment. Slightly more nuanced than that but I'd imagine professionals will stop doing favours without insurance backing them.

Kirin - explain ignorance. Accepting soundbites without question if they fit your agenda? I asked how a nurse earning more than £21k pa could possibly not have enough money for food, and you have not answered.

Pooh - I did not know that. In that case, it makes even more sense that DLA was taken away from some people!

Kirin - explain ignorance. Accepting soundbites without question if they fit your agenda? I asked how a nurse earning more than £21k pa could possibly not have enough money for food, and you have not answered.

Unbridled rent, student debt theres two possible reasons but as always cathf Im sure youll be your usual disingenuous self when replying

Cath - living costs can easily far exceed £21k net or even £27k net if you're a nurse in or around expensive cities. I paid nearly £18k a year in rent living in London and close to £14k in Bristol. You can't pull out the 'move elsewhere' favourite Tory argument for healthcare professionals.

I deliberately didn't respond to you because I find you utterly tedious.

Disingenuous? How so?
I may have different opinions to you, but I mean everything I say on here.
What a strange thing to post.

From the student Loan website: You only start repaying your loan once you've graduated and you're earning more than £21,000 a year. After that, you'll pay back 9% of anything you earn over £21,000. So if you're earning £26,000 a year, you'll lose £450 in loan repayments - £37.50 each month.

So student loans can't amount for much every month.

Housing? Depends where they live, but I really struggle to accept anyone earning over £21k pa genuinely can't afford to eat, sorry.

Tedious and disingenuous.
How lovely.
As usual, it turns to personal attacks.

Why don't you google so you can see it reported in and by:

The Times
The Independent
The Daily Mail
The Royal College of Nursing.

Or would you rather remain ignorant?

I can see a soundbite trotted out time and time again by certain people.
What I can't see is any evidence that this actually happens.
Sorry
anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

You're also not quite right about student loans. It's not £21k for degrees completed before 2012.

What evidence is it you're after? A photograph of a nurse at a foodbank? No because that would be anecdotal. I think you'll refuse to accept anything as evidence as it doesn't fit your preconceived ideas.