Seriously, is there ^anyone^ on MN who does not want Labour to win on June 8?

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Come out, come out wherever you are!
I know it will mean you will be attacked and preached at, you will be told you are rich, uncaring and hate everyone except yourself, but will anyone stand with me and admit to planning on voting Conservative on June 8?
I can't be the only one surely? I didn't vote the Conservatives in by myself in 2015!

I thought the Tory manifesto had not been published yet.
Tories are not racist at all and nor are most Labour members. The UK is not a particular racist country compared to many. By all means decide on policies but likening the Tories to BNP is not accurate.

I never said they are racist. I merely said their proposed policies reflect the 2005 BNP manifesto

metro.co.uk/2017/04/27/some-of-bnps-2005-election-pledges-are-now-mainstream-policy-6599296/

www.thecanary.co/2017/04/23/compared-tories-policies-bnp-manifesto-bloody-hell-video/

It's quite hard to be pro Tory, which I have in the past, when you realise thst your child's secondary school is due to lose 17% of their funding, in the poorest funded county in the country. (It's not poorly funded for a good reason, it's a historical mess.)

Grammar Schools are not a Labour. Policy

Managing immigration and security better are or certainly were with their last manifesto though Corbyn probably wouldn't see either as an issue many many people do (even though a that voted remain)

When you have a rise in the far right popularity it will impact how all parties will present their policies. In France it won't be ignored that the far right received so many votes as it can't be ignored here the growth of UKIP even though now they have become irrelevant

Look the real crux of the matter is Corbyn and his front bench are unelectable. People are not stupid. Corbyn is basically an activist who has been catapulted to head labour by infiltration from momentum.
I imagine Corbyn would literally shit himself if he did win as he has spent his whole political life opposing policies and not making policies.

Dianne Abbott is a good constituency MP but is completely out of her depth, embaressinly so as is Thirnbury. The rest of the front. Each are too forgettable to name.

So we have no effective opposition holding the Tories to account.

The only chink of light ahead is Corbyn will step down after the defeat and Labour quickly regroup with those too sensible to serve Corbyn. A sensible leader and credible team.

I do get that people, especially young people, are excited by a new huge change and thought Corbyn could deliver but you have to remember a leader had to appeal across the broad spectrum and of you go too left or too right wing it's not palatable to the electorate.

No point having wonderful ideas if you can't get into government.

Slams head against the wall.

Exactly, Nicemil.

The key points of the Tory manifesto are already out.

The Tories are pledging to bring net immigration down to an arbitrary figure. This will go down nicely with lots of people.

I'd rather they didnt, but then I'd rather the tories or lib dem didnt either. In fact, I wish they'd all come down with an intense and long lasting bout of nasty explosive diarrhoea which means all the parties need to start all over again.

Of course it will tinyhands, as this was why most people voted to leave Europe.

Look the real crux of the matter is Corbyn and his front bench are unelectable.

That is not the crux of the matter at all. The crux is that we have running our country a regime guided by an ideology of division, rivalled only by their extreme ineptitude.

tiny it will get votes.

Regards Brexit no party covered themselves with glory. Cameron gambled to basically win the election and that was a good move from his POV but then held the election to shut up the dissenters in his party and silence ukip and lost.

Labour was never the party for Europe and Corbyn doesn't actually understand how to support a policy so his weak crap leadership failed to challenge the ukip agenda and here we are.

Agree nicemil. I hate stamping on young people's enthusiasm for change but Corbyn is a waste of space. He has a nasty side to his politics which his devoted fans just can't or won't see.
I'd say we have been here before with Michael Foot but he was intellectually streets ahead of Corbyn. Unelectable, as well.

make

The crux of the matter is getting into government. Nothing else matters.

a regime guided by an ideology of division yes I can agree with you but if you can't convince the British people to vote for you then you just remain a fringe agitator! Oh wait yes that's who leads the Labour Party.

Look if you say you really want change then don't you see the only way is via the ballot box? ???

Do you want change though or do you just enjoy spouting slogans and hurling insults as you have done on this and other threads.

do you have a lot to loose under the Tories? Really do you have a job, kids, elderly parents a mortgage, disabled relatives? If yes then you should be trying with all your might to get labour electable.

Toughest election for me

I don't feel particularly aligned to any party this time around. The way I feel about the NHS makes it difficult for me to vote Con. However I do think they will be the right party to lead us through Brexit

That being said, I think I will vote for Lib Dems. I wish however, they had a better person in charge

Indeed Radishsal I have teenagers who were very excited by Corbyn but even they now see how ineffective and unelectable he is.

Of course it is make

If Labour had a leader that could lead an opposition successfully, acted professionally during the referendum campaign, put workable solid proposals forward, dealt with the Brexit issue, worked with a professional experienced team behind them, didn't have his dubious contacts (for his own personal political reasons), wasn't so left wing and appealed to more centre voters they would gain far more votes and have a very good chance of winning he election

Most people understood as soon as Corbyn stepped in to the role of Labour leader Labour were doomed under his leadership others it took a little longer others will have this proved to them on June 8th

It's down to him, his team and his supporters that continue to keep him elevated to some sort of messiah that Labour shall be trashed at the election. It is down to Corbyn to put forward himself and his team as credible and able to step up with the role as PM and form a government and they are failing terribly. Its down to him that the Tories will gain a larger majority not voters not voting to support a very poor opposition leader and his ridiculously unprofessional team. I wouldn't be surprised if Tories win a majority like Thatchers huge majority at the height of her popularity

don't you see the only way is via the ballot box? ???

Absolutely. But this will never ever happen if we keep attacking ourselves. If you find labout unsupportable, vote libdem, green.....anything but conservative.

Don't just give them the election.

Me.

Hope that helps.

It's down to him, his team and his supporters

It is down to us. Labour can be what we want it to be. Elect Cooper! I will support her. Absolutely.

But as of now, you fight to send the ones harming the country packing!

We can do it together, but not at each others throats.

make

You and your supporters are missing the fundamental point. Of course labour can become a great electable party again but not under its present front bench.

Your policy seems to be bury your head in the sand and stop being mean to Jeremy and suddenly the electorate will see him as a credible alternative. He isn't. They never will do let's get rid as soon as possible and get labour sorted again.

If we don't then the tories will as Maggie said and did 'go on and on'

I think the trouble is

a. we don't want a Tory rout - if they win by a complete landslide they will (rightly) take that as a mandate to do what the heck they like with health/education/immigration/whatever...

b. we don't want a coalition of chaos where sod all gets done again.

c. Corbyn is unelectable.

d. Scotland poses a further problem - people have gone off the poison dwarf and are looking to vote for anything other than the SNP and Ruth Davidson is looking a bloody strong alternative.

Ideally a Tory win for me - but not too strong a win, but a relatively strong win in Scotland to stop the independence talk carrying on.Arghhhhhhh... how the heck are we supposed to decide.

Elect Cooper

How excatly?

It's too late for a leadership challenge for the GE and Corbyn followers have too much of a strangle hold on party membership to make a difference right now

Most people don't join parties or want to spend money on joining a party they just want to vote in elections

There is more to life than labour winning an election make personally I think the country's economy and safety would be under grave threat from this labour front bench and they would cause more havoc than the Tories. They wouldn't mean to but they would.

And that's a very very difficult thing to post as a life long labour voter.

I would support Yvette absolutly.

But as Enthusiam says it's too late now. Done deal. Beyond I hear you it's a bloody mess.

What you fail to understand/aknowledge is that the election is a few weeks away. This is fact!

There isn' t time ( nor is it the time) to squabble.

It is giving them the election.

We can sort this out in a month, win or lose.