Seriously, is there ^anyone^ on MN who does not want Labour to win on June 8?

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Come out, come out wherever you are!
I know it will mean you will be attacked and preached at, you will be told you are rich, uncaring and hate everyone except yourself, but will anyone stand with me and admit to planning on voting Conservative on June 8?
I can't be the only one surely? I didn't vote the Conservatives in by myself in 2015!

I find it incredible that anyone with any sense could vote for the mysogynistic racist Corbyn the totally incompetent yet strangely arrogant Abbott , and our shadow foreign secretary Thornbuty who couldn't name the French foreign minister and then accused the journalist quizzing her as sexist!

As a labour member I find it incredible that after all the wilderness years of the 80s all these new member twats voted for a man that clearly cannot win an election.

I have read the thread and see the old gimmer labour supporters are just as horrified while others defend Corbyn. I can only conclude those supporting Corbyn are too young to remember the thatcher years because in giving us Corbyn this is what's in store for the next 10 years.

If we cannot negotiate a deal by 2019 then we fall back on the basic legal position as to who pays what.

Viola!!

I can only conclude those supporting Corbyn are too young to remember the thatcher years because in giving us Corbyn this is what's in store for the next 10 years

Is this satire?. Top comedy

Well keep laughing then because labour are unelectable with the present front bench.

That means he is like Thatcher obviously

Will leave the Thatcher years stuff to Maggie May

Anecdata ? So I should ignore my personal almost fatal experience and be a drone believing that only Labour can be trusted with the NHS.

I think you must be a bit confused monkey

It is the sick, twisted Tory Social Darwinian ideology. Those that aren't 'fit' are of lesser value than their sort.

What on earth are you talking about makeourfuture? Do you honestly think such hysterical statements will persuade anyone to vote Labour? I find statements like this - and I have seen loads over the last few weeks - so silly and infantile. Why would anyone think like tgat ?

I want no party to have a majority so they have to cooperate. I don't want a Tory majority. Labour won't win but I hope they and the lib dens have more MPs

Most of MN are Conservative voters OP, have you not noticed this trend.
Green voter here.

It is the basis for the Conservative, trickle down Ayn Randian philosophical ideology. That the "achievers", soaring with their strong work ethics, drive society forward.

Those lower down are at best useful helpers, or at worst dead weight.

Maybe it is infantile, but it is not my view of humanity.

I wish threads like these had a few more facts rather than interpretations based on distant memories and influenced by spin.

I'm not a labour voter and I have voted Tory.
I think Corbyn is a shambles.
I think Brexit is a shambles caused by an internal party squabble. Tge Torys have sacrificed the country for party unity. Let's just be clear about this.
The proposed Tory manifesto is pretty much the same as the BNP manifesto in 2005.
Much as I don't like labour at the moment, they didn't cause the global financial crisis. You might not agree with how they managed it but I don't think the Torys would have done it differently.
I worked in the NHS when labour got in many years ago and it was a sigh of relief after services had been run down for many years. (sound familiar?)
Currently it seems to be Brexit at any cost with no discussion of how we are going to replace tax revenues of the high earners we have benefited from in London (and yes they are moving chunks of services abroad) and no discussion about the ramifications of being one of the only westernised countries in the world nit belonging to a trading bloc (where the other trading blocs are moving towards single markets).
The current government have refused to publish future pension information (which is actually breaking the law they instituted) because of the election. It is likely that pensionable age of under 45s will be 70 or over. (but let's not talk about uncomfortable things).
My local primary school will have a budget shortfall of £75k next year. This isn't because of mismanagement - it's underfunding.
And did you know that most of the missing management of money in the NHS is the millions spent in re organising and re organising by the govt.
The govt are just very good at shifting blame, e g.benefit wasters.
Mrs May says she us going to help the just managing, yet nothing has changed. All that has happened is that we are wasting millions on an election which has been called to get her own party in order as if there are a few more Tory MPs, it might quite the difficult ones (sound familiar?)
This election should be more than about Brexit. We have a poor negotiating hand and largely the other 27 countries will decide what we get.
Watch the select committee when the Chinese representative laughed and said we are now a practice country before they negotiate with the big boys, the EU.....
Personally i think we are fucked. May is crap and Corbyn is crap. They are actually very similar and neither likes listening to or acting on feedback.

I will never vote for the Tories. Ever.

It has been a disaster for my husband and most people like him, as well as those with physical disabilities. The shit we have had to go through has been horrendous. Other people who aren't affected (or is it effected?) by the cuts to services and the PIP assessments etc have little idea how brutal it is and what it is doing to families like mine.

It wasn't great under labour, it got much worse under the Tories, no doubt about it.

I am stuck between Labour and Lib. I am a labour voter but I'm not loving them right now. I think either way we are fucked really.

It doesn't matter really does it? The Tories have got this. No one else has a chance.

I also belong in the 'we are fucked camp'.

What lies ahead of us is shit - (thank you brexiteers).

There's no way I could vote May. There's no way I could vote Corbyn.
I will vote Lib Dem.

No party will allow the NHS to totally collapse as it would mean they would be out of government for a generation

What the Tories may do is (and probably will) is allow more private companies to be employed by the NHS which really took hold under Blairs time to prop up the NHS and make it appear a better service this would have also probably would have happened under the TTIP EU deal either way the NHS has to change. we are not only living longer and have a much higher social care bill and cuts in this hugely impact the NHS we also have far more complex treatments that run up extremely high costs

For the NHS to stay as the cradle to grave free at point of service for all health concerns we would all need to pay a considerable increase to fund this

Those considerable rises to all the public (as taxing business has a knock on effect) isn't an election winner for any party

I am not going to vote Labour to save the NHS becuase the party as it is has no idea how to deal with such economic complexities and lives in a socialist utopia bubble dream world much like I did and probably many others did when we were students/younger and viewed the politics simply

It seems to me many people of whatever political persuasion, view the world simply. Take back control.....anyone?

I too will never ever vote for Conservatives. The dismantling of our nhs - selling it off privately. The destruction of our Education system. The huge rise in the number of people using food banks. People with disabilities being marginalised and pushed further into poverty. All reasons as to why I could not vote Tory.

I'm voting Lib Dem.

And as for Brexit. Well, at some point, my dh' job is likely to be screwed. Like so many others. All over a bloody party squabble. Even Theresa May saw that, until she became leader of course.

which really took hold under Blairs time

PFI?

There was an interesting discussion on a R4 magazine programme yesterday morning in which the civil servant (whose name I've forgotten) who advised John Major re EU negotiations in the 1980s and wrote article 50 criticised TM's handling of Brexit.

make

It doesnt matter who introduced PFI, Blair/labour ran with it and used it a lot to mask the true cost.

I'll be voting conservative

It doesn't bother you roarityroar thst basically the Tory manifesto is basically the same as the BNP 2005 manifesto?