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Seriously, is there ^anyone^ on MN who does not want Labour to win on June 8?

911 replies

cathf · 06/05/2017 19:48

Come out, come out wherever you are!
I know it will mean you will be attacked and preached at, you will be told you are rich, uncaring and hate everyone except yourself, but will anyone stand with me and admit to planning on voting Conservative on June 8?
I can't be the only one surely? I didn't vote the Conservatives in by myself in 2015!

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TalkinPeece · 07/05/2017 17:53

tiggy
I linked the video at 14:41
McDonnell did not say Modest.

AppearingNormal · 07/05/2017 17:54

talkingpeece I''m not some idiot who doesn't know we have doctors from the EU, but as I favour a points system I'm quite happy with that. I've only ever seen one myself. Most immigrant consultants I've had contact with which must be into the hundreds now, have come from outside the EU. I'm pro-immigration generally, but still stand by my words that negative effects of free movement are underplayed.

AppearingNormal · 07/05/2017 17:55

Also, I never stated that Brexit would change things. My Brexit vote choice was not primarily about immigration, and I'm voting Labour.

tiggytape · 07/05/2017 17:58

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TalkinPeece · 07/05/2017 18:01

appearing
but as I favour a points system I'm quite happy with that
What like the one Australia has just ditched as unworkable?

tiggy
I stand corrected, but remember that JM and JC hark back to the days of 93% incremental rates !!

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Clandestino · 07/05/2017 18:03

Corbyn is a moron. I am a leftie, have always been but I would never ever vote someone who managed to run Labour to the ground, while being cheered by the gang of his equally blinded comrades.

sexymuthafunker · 07/05/2017 18:09

Do all you Tory voters have kids in private school? I honestly fail to see how anyone with kids in state school could vote for them.

TalkinPeece · 07/05/2017 18:11

tiggy
The bottom third already pay no tax
The top third pay around 3/4 of tax

TinselTwins · 07/05/2017 18:13

Do all you Tory voters have kids in private school? I honestly fail to see how anyone with kids in state school could vote for them.

Well I fail to see how anyone who votes labour thinks they're actually going to improve things lik the NHS and education in practice as opposed to running everything into the ground with wild wasteful expensive unsustainable promises like they did last time.

I think a lot of older public service workers won't vote labour because they've seen the waste and ruin of labour promises in practice before. All of the NHS workers I know who are wildly shouting about how you have to vote labour if you give a shit about the NHS have only worked in the NHS under Cons and buy labours ideology but didn't experience the mess labour made of running it.

kirinm · 07/05/2017 18:15

I'd think it was hilarious that people say the tories are the least bad option if it wasn't for the fact another Tory term will see the end of the NHS, education on its knees and the country more divided than it already is. The tories haven't costed any of their policies either but that's apparently okay because they can be 'trusted' with the economy despite the fact our debt has grown significantly under their government.

I will never consider a Tory voter anything other than selfish and lacking in compassion.

UsedToBeAPaxmanFan · 07/05/2017 18:20

I won't be voting Labour. However, that's because I live in a true Blue area and the LibDems are the only party who have even the vaguest chance of ousting the incumbent Tory MP. So it's a tactical vote. I would do anything to get rid of the current government.

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Justanotherlurker · 07/05/2017 18:49

Nobody has officially costed anything yet.

Thing is though that the tories havn't come out and promised anything yet, Labour has done.

(right or wrong)Brexit is the main issue.

Radishal · 07/05/2017 19:42

It is ridiculous to accuse Jeremy Corbyn of anti-semitism and links to terrorist groups, absolute tosh,

As pp said. It's there in black and white and technicolour. Just because you don't want to see it doesn't mean it isn't there.
Didn't you see the launch of their antisemitism "report". That twat shouting down a woman who was Jewish. Shami Chakrabati looked rightly horrified (too late!) and JC with a beatific smile on his face because he had no idea how to deal with it.

Whatawaytomakealiving · 07/05/2017 19:49

sexymutha as posted earlier I can't agree more. Leading in education I am horrified. The system is at breaking point.

AppearingNormal · 07/05/2017 20:20

As I said before I am a lifelong Labour voter, but I'm not under this impression that many on my side seem to be that Conservative voters want everyone to be poor, hate forrins, are snobs, think that poor people are scum. Many just genuinely think labour will do worse. However, I cannot imagine the circumstances where I would ever vote for them.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 07/05/2017 20:20

I know various people who work for the NHS and who have often despaired at the level of waste and poor management.

I know no party will ever dare to do it, more's the pity, but IMO the NHS needs to start charging - albeit small amounts - for visits to GPs and A &E, and something for the 'hotel' element of hospital stays. People are often astonished to hear that such charges are made in Sweden, popularly supposed to be a socialist Utopia. And everyone pays for prescriptions there, again a small amount, with an annual cap for those who need a lot.
We need also to scrap the free prescriptions for all over 60s regardless of income. If they're on very low incomes, fine, but many are not. I can't be the only person who knows someone who truly takes the piss with these - stockpiling dozens of items they don't need, which only get thrown out in the end. One person I know, who more than once stockpiled 60 odd free prescription items that were eventually thrown out, would never have taken them if he'd had to pay even a couple of £ each, though he could well afford to.

I heard the other day that medication that costs pennies in any supermarket, e.g. paracetamol, costs the NHS £7 or £8 per item on prescription, because of the admin involved.
Why on earth are such things still dished out for free?

HelenaDove · 07/05/2017 20:27

"I know no party will ever dare to do it, more's the pity, but IMO the NHS needs to start charging - albeit small amounts - for visits to GPs and A &E, and something for the 'hotel' element of hospital stays"

A disabled persons DLA is stopped if they spend more than 28 days in hospital.

And why should a person pay if constant visits to A and E are caused by waiting and waiting for an operation.

msbojo · 07/05/2017 20:27

Haven't read this thread at all really but maybe take a look at the recent thread about people living in houses that are too big - I think you'll find the answers you're looking for there.

HelenaDove · 07/05/2017 20:31

My DH is 67 and has many meds due to emphysema and ischemic heart disease.

"More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette"

Just one of the adverts that were the background to his youth.
And the Government (s) of the time were happy to take the taxes.

So dont whine now that the reckoning has to be paid.

HelenaDove · 07/05/2017 20:37

Maybe some ppl stockpile because some surgeries are taking 3 weeks to fill a repeat prescription.

And what do you mean by "hotel" element. Luxuries like food i presume.

Well ive seen many posts and heard about many carers who have to go into hospital and feed their carees because of lack of staff.

So maybe carers should start charging because it would have to work both ways.

Whatawaytomakealiving · 07/05/2017 21:34

I heard the other day that medication that costs pennies in any supermarket, e.g. paracetamol, costs the NHS £7 or £8 per item on prescription, because of the admin involved.
Why on earth are such things still dished out for free?

To be fair my GP never does. Anything that can be bought for less, that is what we are told to do.
Is that really true that GP's dish out prescriptions for low cost items or just urban myth through elements of the media to bash public sector staff with?

GrimmDays · 07/05/2017 21:37

I have voted conservative in the past but I cannot do it anymore because of the shower of shit they have rained over this country as soon as they were unencumbered by lib dem being their conscience.

TinselTwins · 07/05/2017 21:43

Is that really true that GP's dish out prescriptions for low cost items or just urban myth through elements of the media to bash public sector staff with?

Yes it's true.