To wonder what would happen if Corbyn et al did win the GE next month?

[MsGameandWatch]

As asked by my 14 year old son and his friends today?

Would be an utter disaster, country in turmoil and ruins according to my ex H. What worse than now?

They'll reverse everything, sort this country right out according to majority of my FB friends.

Personally I want anything that'd different from the present status quo but don't think for one second thing labour will get a majority.

We know what the Tories are doing but what would Labour actually do? Would they, could they reverse Brexit? Would they could they pour substantial funds into the NHS? Are they even able to form an efficient government?

Corbyn a disaster negotiating with the EU?
As opposed I suppose to the sheer brilliance with which Theresa May is handling things?

He wouldn't be able to negotiate brexit, I don't think he could negotiate extra chips on his dinner, let alone go against the European leaders.

If he got rid of trident, we would be relying on America if Russia decided to play hard ball.

The country would be bankrupt when he realised that he couldn't pay for what he wanted with happiness and unicorns.

The NHS would be over funded with many new hospitals and staff trained all to the highest standard within a year

The education system would have 1000's more teachers, many new schools and all would reach outstanding in the ofstead reports

Poverty will be a thing of the past within 6 months and there will no longer be a housing shortage

And inflation shall fall so much banks will write off outstanding debts and we shall be able to recruit 10000 new policemen/woman and them earning £8000 a year would be a very good wage

And Corbyn himself would bring peace to all the problems in the ME

If JC actually won it would be very interesting. Half the country would have a party for a few months. Every public sector employee would get a pay rise, new money for schools, the NHS, houses, the police, the unemployed. Free university.

Then massive tax rises for the rich. Unions start to demand even more money. Companies are nationalized. Then vat on private schools, lots of parents move their children into state education that doesn't have the space for them. Millions are sacked as zero hours contracts are banned. Companies move out of the UK to avoid punitive taxes. Wealthy individuals leave the UK to avoid punitive taxes. Investors start to refuse to buy our debt. Inflation spirals. JC gives the EU £100 billion to stay in the single market and we agree to continued free movement of people.

We scrap our nuclear deterrent and Russia starts to treat us as a joke flying its jets over the UK with impunity. Scotland leaves the UK because it becomes a basket case and we have to go to Germany and start begging for a bail out. The EU agrees to lend us some money as long as we join the Euro and Schengen. We then have an influx of 2 million migrants and Greece would start to send us humanitarian aid....

Small point (and it really is but it irritates me a lot), Jamie mentions free university as labour say they will abolish tuition fees. What Labour don't mention is that they introduced them.

I just wish they would say "yep, we got that wrong, we will now abolish them" but they just imply it is the Tories that introduced them.
I know, there are much more important issues but it does annoy me

Maybe he could get Diane Abbott to do the brexit negotiations, after all we have all seen that she is very good at maths...

Brexit would go ahead but with the single market, free movement and human rights at the forefront of negotiations as positive aspects to be retained instead of being the red lines with the Torys at the helm. That's my ideal. If we make this election about reversing Brexit we'll ensure a right wing surge much like the US.
Brexit with all of the important and valuable parts of the EU retained means the right wingers technically get what they want, but so do we. Possibly being rather idealistic here though!

the single market, free movement and human rights at the forefront of negotiations

How is that different from being in the EU?

I am intrigued by creating money. How does that work ?

Ann Pettifor explains it well specialsubject.

He'd best start watering his magic money tree.

Under 'austerity' and Gideonomics, the UK borrowed more between 2010 and 2015 than under 13 years of Labour. Yet we have nothing to show for it. The Tories use the 'magic money tree' to enrich corporations and foreign governments, Labour under Corbyn would use it to better the lives of ordinary people.

I don't understand why a fair few of you are saying we'd be broke bankrupt.
Can you please explain why borrowing under this government outshines borrowing under any other government - labor included?
I've left the UK - I am a higher rate tax payer, as is STBXH who also left when I did.
I didn't do that because I felt hard done by tax wise, or because I didn't want the poor benefitting from my taxes. I did it because in my home town, Cardiff, I was tripping over homeless people. That isn't an exaggeration. homelessness is skyrocketing. People in my social circle, who lived between Cardiff/Swansea and the valleys mostly, were struggling more than ever. A professional friend of mine had to use a food bank just 8 months ago. A professional person in a professional job.
Talking of food banks. Any of you seen the stats recently on food bank usage?
Shocking, really.
I could go on but I won't.
All I want to say is, what it really comes down to, is that I was watching a car crash. I couldn't watch any longer.
I would pay more taxes to reverse these things, but the conservatives won't as long as they're in power. I don't like corbyn all that much but I will still always maintain that labour are the best of the worst

Great post cocklodger.

There is no chance in Hell that Corbyn would become PM. Put the thought to the back of your mind OP and tell your DC to get on with their lives

Don't think I will do that. I like that he's becoming politically engaged so I will discuss it in detail using some of the thoughts I have read on here.

At 14, your son is old enough to read the manifesto.

You should always encourage your kids to be politically involved. So many people don't give a shit.
Corbyn managed to become leader of the Labour Party, and to my knowledge is pretty popular with younger people (and with a lot of people I know) some like myself will vote labour regardless of who is leader - to an extent.

Sorry meant to add - for that reason alone I wouldn't rule him out.

I do t think any party will change much as there isn't so much cash to go around anymore.
Corbyn was a bigger supporter of brexit than Teresa may, this time last year. He has never been keen on the eu as an institution.
Unless it is an extreme party I don't think either labour nor conservative will do much.

How about looking at what Corbyn has done in opposition?

He's opposed cuts to PIP and tax credits, opposed the forced academisation of schools, Sunday trading, the training contract with Saudi Arabia & how child poverty is measured. He's supported the junior doctors, refugees and the steel industry. He's won concessions on a number of bills such as housing benefit and the trade union bills.

Also think it's worth bearing in mind that in the UK, we don't elect a Prime Minister but a party. I'm not a huge fan of how Corbyn presents but the IMO his party is best for the UK's future.

It's getting tiresome hearing people say the country will be bankrupt again if Labour get in especially since the Tories have tripled the debt and killed disabled people and starved benefit claimants in the process.

Silly, truth spoken.

After the terrible results for Labour so far in the local elections, the chance of him getting into power is even smaller than it was yesterday.

Anyone who has a choice and earns over about £40k would leave the country or stop working so hard as they would tax high earnings at such a rate that it wouldn't be worth the effort

This made me laugh. I earn well over this and will not be leaving the country. I'm hardly on the breadline.

I can only assume that those on more than 40k who would "happily pay more tax" are not living in the south east.

There is a solution, too - you can pay more tax! Let your revenue office know you'd really, really like to.

No? Thought not.

It's getting tiresome hearing people say the country will be bankrupt again if Labour get in especially since the Tories have tripled the debt and killed disabled people and starved benefit claimants in the process

^This

We've had plenty of recessions under the Tories.

Have people forgotten the 2008 global economic crisis? Sub-prime loans, the collapse of the Lehman brothers? northern Rock? Royal Bank of Scotland? And now somehow the narrative is that this was caused by labour.

Seriously

Labour made mistakes. Of course they did. And yet they didn't cause the global economic downturn. The Tories haven't been able to reverse the damage done because, funnily enough, it was a global crisis.

I can only assume that those on more than 40k who would "happily pay more tax" are not living in the south east

I am living in the south east

And no you cannot ask HMRC to pay more tax than you're supposed to. They wouldn't be allowed to knowingly take it.

I do give plenty of time and money to charity instead.

Labours problem is that they don't come accross as economically competent. Whether it is true or not.

The car crash Abbott interview and virtually every policy release in the past few weeks being paid for by CGT plays into this. There is no way CGT would pay for it all.