To think Diane Abbott was off her face on the radio this morning?

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www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/diane-abbotts-agonising-interview-over-policy-cost/

Fragrant Diane, she really is the kiss of death.
My toes are still curling

She misspoke though so that's ok!

Guava - exactly so.
A huge dose of humility and honesty would benefit so many politicians.
Abbott needs a double dose. Her behaviour and JC's failure to acknowledge the serious failings distracts totally from the fact we have a Boris buffoon for a Foreign Secretary in a time when the world is looking at nuclear solutions to settle disputes, Brexit and its implications and the fact the Tory party is disunited, but better at keeping their disputes behind closed doors. Worse, people think continued Tory rule is good news for the NHS, Education, Housing and employment, despite the evidence around them. Scary times.

the Tory party is disunited, but better at keeping their disputes behind closed doors

Well look at this forum. Supposed Labour supporters are attacking their own far more viciously than the people sending the country down the drain.

That's not pulling together in my book....or any other book. That's sabotage.

Make - as well as explaining what you meant by sending someone to prison, can you explain what you mean by sending the country down the drain?

not meaning to sound sarky, genuinely interested in what facts you have to make you think that.

That's not pulling together in my book....or any other book. That's sabotage.

The problem is that before the GE was announced there was pretty much a purge from JC's most ardent supporters and momentum.

Now all those Red Tories/Evil Blairites and any other pathetic slur that was thrown at them are supposed to come together because as usual, instead of looking inward, it is still, nearly 2 years later nothing to do with JC and his shadow cabinet

"That's sabotage" Just as 'enemies of the people', pure hyperbole.

We are run by ideologist both in the labour party and the Conservatives.

The only intelligent pragmatists are Lib Dems and they are who I will vote for.

Saying all Labour supporters should back JC and his crew is like saying all Republicans should support Trump or Le Pen. Why?
Call me a red Tory if that makes you feel better but i can't support Corbyn as future PM. It would be a disaster for our country.
May has one issue to deal with and that is Brexit- until we know how much money we have and how our economy is going to fair anything about spending on education, NHS, police etc is just pie in the sky. Perhaps if JC had wanted a more stable economy he should have supported Remain more strongly. And DA's tummy bug or whatever stopped her voting on that was cowardly bollocks. MPs having chemotherapy have made it in to vote before. The Labour front bench are shite and I wouldn't want to inflict them on our country.

Agree I think it was basically a massive brain fart. She's probably tired from being the only labour frontperson willing to come out of the woodwork on behalf of Corbyn and she's not one for thinking on her feet. But as PPs have said then it's not that hard to be properly prepared and have some notes - she's very experienced and should know how to do that.

But then I wish she could immediately apologise and own up to the truth - she went blank, it happens to everyone. Instead we're now being treated to her efforts to act like it was all fine and the interviewer is the problem for not focusing on the "issues". (hmm)

Supposed Labour supporters are attacking their own far more viciously than the people sending the country down the drain.

Sorry but I will speak out when people like McDonnell speak in from of Communist and Ba'ath flags like he has this week.

I will speak out when anti-semitism isnt being tackled and ignored..

Frankly it says more about the Labour supporters that brush over it than those that tackle it.

can you explain what you mean by sending the country down the drain?

I mean, one could answer this by asking, if the measure of a society, or person really, is in how they treat not a strong enemy but the weak and vulnerable...then what can we make of this regime seemingly hellbent on purging the sick, poor and disabled?

I think it is a valid question, and at this point not rhetorical. And it's not some shadowy plan either....they have made plain that all that has come before is but the tip of the iceberg. They are attempting to reshape society into something they find palatable.

But I think the true indictment of today's Conservative party (we can discard the above as just being their nature) is this launching of us out into a very dangerous world without so much as the hint of any sort of plan. That is the height of irresponsibility.

I am not so worried by Abbot fluffing a figure....that happens and can be rectified....this other is disturbing as we cannot change the nature of those in charge now nor their insistence in continuing to do very foolish things.

We don't live under a "regime". We live under a government that was democratically elected but not the one I voted for.
I have lived under a "regime ". To call the May government a "regime " is stupidity beyond words.

Agree make and I'm massively disturbed by what the Tories have been doing and plan to do.

That doesn't mean I can't be upset that our main opposition (such as it is, and not for long I guess) is being led by worryingly useless and ineffectual twerps who are putting the electorate off their party. I'm a lifelong Labour voter and love my Labour MP, but that doesn't mean I automatically have to get behind shit leadership.

"Regime" is routinely used about elected governments. Trump regime, Obama regime, Thatcher regime - used all the time.

Regime may be routinely used in that way. By people who do not know what they are talking about.

Regime "a government, especially an authoritarian one". From the OED.
We do not live under an authoritarian regime. We just don't.

So by the definition you just quoted, regime can mean "a government".

No one except you said "authoritarian regime".

"then what can we make of this regime seemingly hellbent on purging the sick, poor and disabled? "
Make said this. I disagreed with the use of the word "regime". It strongly implies an authoritarian government. Having lived under one myself, I wanted to express my disagreement with that term. We don't live under an authoritarian GOVERNMENT, a regime, call it what you will.
The idea that I should support JC because to do otherwise supports an authoritarian government is bullshit.

Trump regime, Obama, regime... Really?

I thought one would say Trump administration or Trump presidency... Not regime. English isn't my first language, but regime? That does seem to have certain connotations. But as I said, English is not my first language, so maybe I just attached the wrong connotations to this word.

Feed, you are spot on.

I would feel more confident about the Labour Party in power if the shadow Home Secretary could grasp the finances around her proposals to put more police officers on the streets of England and Wales.

That is after all, her job.

I just don't think she's capable of being Home Secretary based on the interviews she given. And it makes me wonder about the rest of the shadow cabinet.

Just to be anal I've just googed "Trump regime" "Obama regime" "Thatcher regime" and even "Merkel regime" and they all come up loads, often in perfectly normal news articles (i.e. not just attacks)

I repeat: the fact the term regime is widely and so casually used does not mean it is used correctly. Just to be anal about it.

Wishing to help people is if no consequence if you are rubbish at the job itself.

Um yes it does mean it is correct, just to be even more anal.

That's why the dictionary definition makes clear that one of the meanings of the word is "a government". Dictionary definitions are based on widespread and common usage.