To think this child rapist should have got life?

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He raped a 5 year old for fucks sake, I'll never understand the sentencing for sex crimes, that girl's life is ruined, and do they really think he won't reoffend?

Karanka that's very noble and all, but what happens when he gets out and does it again?

To rape an adult is horrific, but to rape a young child who has absolutely no chance of standing up or defending themselves against someone so much bigger and stronger than then is something unimaginable. Not only that, forcing themselves in them, and causing them unimaginable pain and injury too boot. I hope he is given a very hard time in jail.

do you think 13 years sounds like a reasonable sentence for raping a 5 year old?

As a matter of fact, no. Although I don't know the particulars of the case and what prevailing guidelines were applied, on the face of it the sentence seems lenient.

Saor I am on the same opinion. I posted in the beginning that child rapists should be executed without trial. Then some smartass said it was a ridiculous response. Why would it be ridiculous? What else do you do with these people? The crime was committed so let's not waste time with a trial. Why put them in jail for life where they just live their lives with no purpose and being unproductive? And all this financed by taxpayers money. Paedos never change because they enjoy what they do. If you enjoy something you will have a very strong urge to do that again at any given opportunity. Henceforth they should be sentenced to death. They are the most dangerous of criminals and the kind of group that should executed.
People who try to defend them and keep banging on about their human rights are always suspicious.
I never said that all other types of criminals should be put to death because it would be ridiculous. But paedos don't deserve to live among us.

Firstly, I think that we need to change our whole view on the lives of people who have suffered sexual violence as children. honestly think the consensus that my life has been "ruined" is utterly unhelpful. This is a view that immediately writes me (and others) off for the rest our lives, we are pretty much destined to failure.

It also gives the perfect excuse for those responsible for making the changes to support systems that are desperately needed. No one wants to support people who society have doomed to failure. This attitude has got to change. The effects of childhood sexual abuse can be long lasting, and the impact is huge, but it should not be viewed that that person's life is ruined.

13 years is sadly a long sentence for these types of crimes, and it's unlikely there will be any rehabilitative progress during this time. How can you rehabilitate someone for the real world when you are keeping them behind bars? You simply cannot. Rehabilitation and treatment can only be successful if it happens outside in the outside world. I cannot think of another way we do this for people who have already offended.

I do believe that people who believe they are at risk and seek help prior to offending can be helped and supported in our communities - and for them the arguments that all peados should be shot, or, hung, drawn and quartered, is not helpful - in my mind it actually elevates risk of them not seeking help and therefore offending.

So, what's the options? Leave them in jail for ever and hope they die a slow death from another inmate where we can all claim that we did uphold their human rights? A community of offenders somewhere away from our societies? The death sentence? Longer prison sentences? Castration?

At the moment I am in favour of them living in artificial communities away from the general population for the rest of their lives. I don't think any of the others are sensible solutions (particularly when taking into account those who have yet to offend seeking help rather than committing offences).

what happens when he gets out and does it again?

Make sure he doesn't. Ensure better and more appropriate rehabilitation for those for whom rehab is realistic, extended incarceration for those for whom it is not (which means reviewing sentencing guidelines). Improve monitoring across the board.

The notion that you make things 'better' by chucking out all notions of human rights or rule of law is completely false.

I'd also like to see a rehabilitation system in place (if we go down that route) that is kept separately to those who have been abused. Right now I get to spend two trauma therapy appointments wondering if the people in the waiting room are rapists as it's all treated within the same system where I am. Children are taking to a different floor

Karanka I never suggested capital punishment or punishment without trial. My sole suggestion has been to keep people who commit the very worst crimes in society permanently out of society. To protect the innocent.

The proposals you make are already apparently in place, the sex offenders register, extended monitoring, life licence, parole checks. Has that helped the rates of recidivism? Not to the point where there are no more victims.

I agree there must be trials, the law must be respected because if it is not then we become a society of vigilantes, but for some people there is no prospect of rehabilitation, and to allow them back into society is as dangerous as firing a loaded gun into a crowd.

The artificial community idea is a good one, as long as it was properly monitored to ensure no access to the outside world, internet included.

I'm very cautious when it comes to criminals being sentenced; capital punishment isn't an answer because innocent people will inevitably be put to death in error.

However. When I lived in foster care my foster mum's son who was 18 raped me and my younger sister. I was 6, she was 4. Having been through that, having spent a lifetime getting over it, having spent an eternity trying to rationalise, understand and recover from it, I genuinely believe paedophiles need to be kept away from society permanently. Once you're convicted, there should be no parole, no leniency and no escape from prison. Paedophiles reoffend so often that I see no alternative. To do something so catastrophic to a child there must be part of your brain, part of your soul missing. How can that ever be changed or remedied? It's proven that they're going to re-offend. There can be no excuse for leniency or kindness towards those people.

I refuse to subscribe to any form of punishment which lowers the society I am part of to the level of those commuting offences people are claiming to be shocked by. And I deliberately say claiming because to clamour for blood suggests you are not sufficiently revolted to wish that such things didn't happen at all.

The evidence shows chemical castayion doesn't work. It shows that death sentence does not work. It shows that when you start undermining a judicial system with reaffirmed such as removing trials for certain offences you begin down a very slippery slope.

And still people hop on here to hang them high. I understand the guttural revulsion and instinct that wants these people not around I really do. But to attempt to defend and justify the removal of trial? Because a crime has been commited? And to suggest that state sponsored murder should be used with out even any process to attempt to justify it?

Disgusting disgraceful and utterly indefensible.

"The artificial community idea is a good one, as long as it was properly monitored to ensure no access to the outside world, internet included."

Absolutely. And it would be self-sufficient as well as far as possible to lessen the impact on tax payers. I also have no problems with them having jobs like they do in open prisons, where products are sold to reduce the costs to the tax payers.

for those of you who have been affected. I note your suggestions are more balanced. I hope you have found peace in your lives and please please do not think I would ever attempt to defend the actions of a perpetrator- I want to protect the actions of the society I am part of.

" Once you're convicted, there should be no parole, no leniency and no escape from prison. Paedophiles reoffend so often that I see no alternative. "

The problem being that it would stop people coming forward and seeking help before they offend. That right now is one of the biggest factors keeping offence rates "down". The fact that people do willing engage and seek help before they offend - it's something that is not spoken about often but it does happen, and it's really important that keeps happening and isn't pushed "underground".

user1493453415 I do think that is probably the best option after consideration. The innocent must be protected, and clearly since horrific things are still happening we as a society haven't found a solution which ensures the protection of those who need it.

I am sorry if anything I've written has upset anyone who has survived such an horrific ordeal. I don't agree with throwing justice out of the window, nor do I subscribe to vigilante justice. I do however believe that the primary focus should always be to respect the victims needs and wishes, and to protect any potential victims from harm.

They are not the same no, but it is never, never the rights of the victims we hear about is it?

The entire criminal justice system is predicated around the rights of victims.

Chemical castration is hardly more 'inhumane' than locking someone in a cell for years

It can be, in fact. Look at what happened to Alan Turing.

user14933453415 you are imagining that people with paedophiliac tendencies and urges will come forward and seek help. They simply won't. Nobody comes forward and says look, I am pervert who is sexually attracted to children and I want to change for the better because I have a very strong moral urge to do so
You are having a laugh!

User for paedophiles who have those urges but don't act on them, I agree that there should be masses of help given. I don't include them in my 'never get out" suggestion. If any paedophile seeks help before they offend, they should be commended for making that choice. But realistically, how many do? How many admit to themselves that there's something wrong with them before they reach the point of deliberately harming a child with their actions? Not enough. That's for sure.

Pitbull They already do come forward and seek help prior to committing offences. There is a huge group of people that already do this. So it's not me "imagining" anything. It's fact.

The problem is public attitudes mean it's rarely spoken about.

The entire criminal justice system is predicated around the rights of victims

How exactly? When you have a murderer who can appeal based on it being inhumane that he could die in prison? Or a paedophile who knows they still have these urges towards children can be allowed to live among children again? Or a rapist who can be released and commit a carbon copy offence just days later?

If you have been lucky enough not to be personally affected by a crime so heinous that it changes your view on everything then you are truly lucky

I absolutely don't doubt that if I or someone I love were raped or attacked in any way, I would want that person to endure unimaginable torture for years on end. But the point is that society cannot be predicated on my primitive revenge instincts.

I believe it is no coincidence that the societies which actually implement the measures some have proposed here are often among the most violent and corrupt

This!

user you are completely deluded. I

Whoooo I don't know the numbers - I have been told that it's a lot more than I expected (I guessed that 20% of potential abusers would seek help prior to abusing).

It's something I would like to find out, because I think stopping offending is the best way forwards (as with any crime).

I don't want anyone to endure unimaginable torture for years. What I want is people who choose to inflict such atrocities on innocent victims to be unable to have access to potential victims again.

By being kept away from society, not by being put to death.